Analytical or Musical Which way to go?


The debate rages on. What are we to do? Designing a spealer that measures wellin all areas shoulkd be the goal manufacturer.
As allways limtiations abound. Time and again I read designers yo say the design the speaker to measure as best they can. But it just does not sound like music.

The question is of course is: what happens when the speaker sounds dull and lifeless.

Then enters a second speaker that sounds like real music but does not have optimum mesurements?

Many of course would argue, stop right there. If it does not measure well it can't sound good.

I pose the question then how can a spekeer that sounds lifeless be acurrate?

Would that pose yhis question. Does live music sound dull and lifeless?
If not how can we ever be be satisified with such a spseker no matter how well it measures?
gregadd
Einstein once said:

"Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted."
To my way of thinking this is apropos to this thread...right down to the ground.

When designing a loudspeaker, the question should be, the FIRST QUESTION:
'Does it SOUND LIKE music?'
If there is any equivocation, change whatever is that is mitigating that realism.
For years, some speakers have been maligned for 'too much treble' or 'too much bass'...given that we ALL hear differently this isn't surprising.
But...BUT, there is no doubting that flat frequency response is the start, just the START of a design. Tonal aberrations are generally disqualifiers for most people as we usually can pick apart some tonal glitch that makes a cello sound 'wrong', or a clarinet sound 'wrong', as most of us have a good inner reference since we've heard these instruments first hand.

As usual, Charles Dad and Atmasphere give sage advice.
Years ago a Supreme Court Justice, in describing Porn said, 'I don't know exactly how to describe it, but I know it when I see it.' (Paraphrase)

Speakers, to me, at least one's that sound real, are the same. You'll know it when you hear it.
And one final thought...any slight aberration becomes major, MAJOR in a short while...so if you hear 'a little too much treble' at first, within a week, you'll be absolutely crazy...at least I am.

Larry
No sound from speakers without amp.

Amp got it easy without a source.

No hear sound without ears, brain.

My ears look funny. How about yours? When I cup my hands behind them everything becomes more musical! Cheap tweak! Girls laugh though. Bummer!

How many audiophiles understand the intricate details of how the brain works?

How many neurologists even? Any audiophile neurologists or neurosurgeons out there? Please help us.
Robert fulton Got it very right!..I have no idea how his speakers measure but they sure do capture a great deal of musical information, color, tone, dynamics, etc..

In short They Resemble the real McCoy

Lawrence
Musical Arts
How do you know that what where measuring for is really the way to a great sounding loudspeakers? Would have to have the assumption that designers truly know what to measure, how to measure it and if it really has a major effect on quality. And while we have made much progress loudspeaker design relies on measurement, simulations but mostly on ideas skill talent and yes listening.
"Years ago a Supreme Court Justice, in describing Porn said, 'I don't know exactly how to describe it, but I know it when I see it.' (Paraphrase)"

They went on to leave it up to community standards. What's obscene in a small town would not be obscene in the big city.

So like most speaker designers/ reviewer5s they punted.