ESOTERIC, WADIA -- How do they really sound?


I have read and heard that upgrading your source to the highest level possible will make the greatest difference. This makes sense, in that once information is lost or poorly decoded, it cannot be regained.

BUT, I am dumbfounded at the opinion of expensive digital players out there. I did an exhaustive search on the forums on Esoteric and Wadia, and was shocked to find some very strong criticisms of deficiencies in products from both these companies, and Levinson and others.

Yet, you can find bang-up magazine reviews on all these products (no surprise, right?).

My concern is that some of the criticisms are rather severe, and surprising in items of this price caliber. For example. The soundstaging is pushed together, the tonal balance is off, the dynamics are compressed, the treble is bright, the sonics are thin, the bass is lacking, the digital volume control degrades the sonics, etc.

If you are buying used, and don't have dealers to take these pieces home, or feel unethical in doing so, how can you make any decisions based on this quagmire of information?

HELP!
saxo
Since it has been years since I had a Wadia product, I cannot really say anything comparing the Esoteric and Wadia products. I do have an Esoteric X-01, however. I have always thought that the top Teac transports are the best perhaps with the exception of the JVC unit in the Reimyo. I have had a series of these transports including in an early Wadia.

I have found nothing approaching the Esoteric X-01 for sacds, which is a surprise for me as it uses PCM rather than DSD for decodig. For redbook, however, while the X-01 is quite good with driving dynamics and a great sound stage, ultimately using it as a transport only into my Exemplar Extant is more musically satisfying.

I don't think the fact that reviewers are divided means much, and I endorse trying to hear the units first before buying. I too was in the circumstance of not being able to hear before buying. I was, however, able to rely on opinions of others I trusted. I think such a network in this era of declining dealerships is a must. Reviewers and postings here and elsewhere are still fraught with uncertainties about whether you can trust their ears, tastes, and systems. Certainly, even a brief reading of posts will tell you there is no consensus on anything. Venture forth alone or find someone or some you trust.
Esoteric X-01 owners: thanks for your input; however, this model is too expensive for me. I'm looking for a unit that retails up to max $7,000, at a used price.

That said, I understand the X-01 & X-03 use the Teac VRDS transport. This is considered the most rugged, advanced transport in the world. I'd love to have it, but the price of admission is too high. Of course, just because a player uses this transport doesn't mean the unit will have the best sonics in the world, because there are so many other design factors involved.

That's what gets me. You spend so much money on this stuff, and then the designs are still not executed to the top level of sonics achieveable.

A couple of people have stated that they found the Wadia to have some issues with glare and with high frequency rolloff. I do know at least one reviewer stated that their Digimaster algorithm cuts off the highs quite abruptly, thinking this is what causes some possible issues in the highs.

I'm not limited to Esoteric and Wadia. However, many units that cost a considerable amount are made with very mediocre drives, which I think is ridiculous in these price ranges. At even the $4,000 level, I think there is no excuse, other than greed, not to use a very high quality, metal mechanism.

I wonder also about the Levinson 390S. I have heard of people having problems with the Levinson units, but I have also heard that they have cleaned up their act and actually improved the sonics of their products.
Greed is very difficult to judge in a capitalist society. If your price is too high, you will sell none and go out of business. Lenin argued that there was an intrinsic price, but that of course is communism. I would have loved to pay only $1000 for the X-01, but unfortunately none were available at that price.
Saxo, a ceiling of $7K for a used X-01 is not unreasonable. There appear to be two such units listed now on Agon: one of them lists for $6.1K. If you got it and then you did not like it, you should be able to unload it at a very similar price.