Need Help Designing a Dream Room


The company I work for got acquired and I'm moving to the new headquarters in Charlotte. We're having no luck finding an existing home meeting our unusual needs (smaller house since we are almost empty nesters, but big listening room on the first floor), so we're building a new home. Hot dog! I finally get to design a dream room!

I'm not an audio engineer, so all I know (and it might be wrong) is that one should use the 1.618 ratio rule. Therefore, I am planning on a family room which is 11x18x29 (nothing is set though). The floors will be hardwood (my wife, who is generous, gracious and loving enough to go through this process instead of buying a perfectly fine regular house, insists on the flooring). I have very large speakers: Montana KAS's. I love many kinds of music: Jazz, blues, classical and rock.

How should I design this room? Separate electrical box? Dimensions? Materials? Rounded corners? This will open into the kitchen and eating area (separate rooms) so we can enjoy the music there as well. Thanks in advance. I look forward to your advice.
ozfly
If your going to spend the money and do it from the ground up, i would SERIOUSLY suggest either doing a TON of homework or contacting an architect with background in acoustics ( for that one room ). I would also be VERY careful as to the contractors that you use. You will need to make it VERY clear that any "abnormalities" that might appear in the blueprint are there ON PURPOSE. I've heard of architects designing rooms where the walls were slightly pitched and the building contractor thought that it was a mistake. Needless to say, the room and the walls were squared, which COMPLETELY ruined the acoustic aspects of the design.

As to electrical wiring, junction boxes, etc.... give Ray Kimber a call. He'll be glad to share his knowledge and give you some ideas. Since he manufacturers everything from wall outlets to wiring, he should have a good idea of how to do an entire electrical system for best results. Sean
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ozfly: what a fortunate man you are. i dream frequently of doing what you now have the chance to do for real. sean is absolutely right. it is no small undertaking to design an aesthetically and sonically pleasing room; it takes either expertise or much trial and error. i prefer the former. there are many things to consider, in addition to those you note. for example, you ought to choose very quiet heating and cooling sources and the kind of lighting least likely to cause interactions with your electronics. employ an expert in HOME acoustics. don't make the mistake in hiring an acoustic engineer used to designing sound enhancements for hockey arenas. ask and ask and ask before you begin. there are many who have knowledge to impart. one person to whom i'd recommend your speaking is alan goodwin of goodwin's highend in waltham, MA. i spent a rainy afternoon last november talking with alan about the design of acoustic spaces; he is a fountain of knowledge, gotten the less preferred way-- trial and error. do have fun and please try to convince your wife of the beauty of wool oriental carpets to cover a part of her wooden floors, especially in front of your speakers. i envy you your puzzlement. -kelly
First, I basically agree with your room dimensions except that you might change the length to between 32 and 36 feet, to reduce standing waves in the ultra deep frequencies.

Second, put in as many dedicated lines as you can afford. My sound system has twelve dedicated 120 volt lines and two 240 volt dedicated lines for the stereo alone. Lighting and outlets are additional and separate from those. Be prepared to fight with the electrician on this, he will say it is totally unnecessary.

Many US amplifiers may be configured to run on 240 volt, and generally perform better ( fewer step up windings in the transformer, and half the amp draw for the same power ).

Consider using at least two, possibly three layers of five eights inch sheetrock on ALL the walls and ceilings in the room, and use liquid nails or silicone between each layer to eliminate flexing.

If possible, box the floor and walls into 18 inch squares in the framing process. This is also referred to as fire blocking. This almost completely eliminates flexing and will improve bandwidth and imaging.

Use liquid nails when installing the floor, and if pier and beam, use MicroLam beams, which are laminated (man made) beams that are epoxy pressure formed wood. Frame the MicroLam with galvanized brackets, in addition to the toe nailing with the nail gun, using plastic coated nails.

The best floor (under your proposed hard wood) is called sturdy floor. It is tongue and groove, and measures one and a half inch thick, is laminated (epoxy bound) and should be attached with liquid nails and deck screws to the Micro Lam during construction.

This will form a foundation that will not flex, squeak or vibrate, regardless of weight, placement or SPL produced by your system.

Put all the analog (or digital if your not an analog guy) on the high side of the electrical system. You can meter the two feeds from the power company, and determine the high side. Run the rest of the house on the low side, and separate the grounds between the two. I had a 200 amp (Square D) electrical panel divided into two sides, high and low. The stereo was all on one side in a solid row, and labeled. The rest of the house on the other side.

If you live were you can demand three phase, get it. Run your air conditioner (and / or swim pool equip.) on it. It will reduce your electrical bill and further remove noise from entering the stereo system.

If you can order a large "pass through" electric meter, DO SO. This type meter does not run the electrical feed through the metering equip (the meter read by the electric co.). Instead, there are solid copper bars that pass through the meter (same as your drop) and the electric companies meter is an Amprobe design. That is, it reads by "clipping" around the copper rods, rather than breaking the circuit!

You may have to fight for this type meter, and it is usually only in larger sizes. Mine is a 750 Amp. The utility is required to provide this upon request, provided you state that you intend to up your usage to require this at a later date. This may require meeting with a supervisor from the utility. It is usually a long wait on the phone, but in the end, is a FREE upgrade if they agree.

Separate grounds may be accomplished by using plastic AC outlet boxes, and running separate THHN ground to cold water pipe or copper ground rod. The rest of the house goes to the panel ground on the master box. If you are one that is concerned with ground potential, you may run a separate eight gauge ground from the panel ground, back to the same cold water pipe.

If you use metal screen under the wood floor and float the foundation (either pier and beam or slab) run a solid copper ground wire completely across the room, corner to corner, and attach to a ground rod before the concrete pour is done. This will form and RF cage, removing much of the received radio and microwave transmission that bombards our homes every day.

Do not install dimmers in the room.

Plan on spending some money on area rugs so you are not exposed to 100% hard wood floor.

Avoid any glass or doors on the walls behind the speakers and the walls immediately beside them.

Design the room with channels under the floor. PVC pipe is cheap, and may be purchased in every size. Place them between the equipment and speaker ends of the room before the pour. After construction, you have access to pull any size or brand of wire between your front end and mono amplifiers behind the speakers.

Fill ALL the walls, REGARDLESS if interior or exterior, with Owens Corning sound proof and basement R11 Fiberglass before installing the sheet rock.

I built a floor to ceiling bookcase in my listening room that attached to the foundation and roof structure. Within this space, I use solid Maple butcher block shelves two inches thick, and mount them with KV shelf bracket hardware.

This arrangement allows placement of stereo equipment where it is the most convenient and attractive, while providing adjustability for future upgrades incompatible with fixed spacing. This shelf has outlasted a dozen equipment changes, and saved thousands of dollars in (not) replacing racks and stands!

I have other suggestions, as I am currently doing this to my own living room. I know this all sounds a bit over the top, but I assure you that everything added together will not add as much to the price of your home as the price tag of a decent mid line amp.

In the end, these room improvements will have a decidedly larger effect on your listening pleasure, without becoming obsolete or requiring audiophile upgrades.

Later on, much of this would be difficult, if not impossible to implement at any price. Best luck.