"forward' vs "laid back" speakers


Over the past few months I’ve auditioned a number of speakers, with a view—eventually—to replacing my current ones. I’m content with their overall presentation, but they are getting long in the tooth and I’ve also been hankering for a little more bass.

Models that I’ve been able to hear (as for many of us, there are geographical challenges) are, in no particular order, B&W CM10, Dynaudio Excite X38, Vandersteen Treo, Sonus Faber Venere 3.0, Devore Orangutan O/93, Dynaudio Focus 380, Vienna Acoustics Beethoven Baby Grand Symphony Edition, Sonus Faber Liuto. Although not on my list, I also happened to hear along the way Totem Sttaf, Golden Ear Triton 2, Neat Classic Elite SX, and Vienna Acoustics Liszt.

It’s probably naïve of me to say this, but one thing that surprised me was how little my own listening impressions aligned with published reviews that I’d read of these speakers. Another thing that was a little surprising was my eventual ranking of them.

Two caveats in regard to the following observations: (1) de gustibus non est disputandum—these are purely my personal tastes and preferences (which seem to be in a minority); (2) all speakers were driven by highly competent and sometimes megabuck electronics, but I’m not going to get into every variable of the audition, otherwise this post will turn into a short novel.

The most salient characteristic (to me) is that the acoustic presentation of some of these speakers seemed quite forward (row D), whereas that of others was really quite laid back (row M). There was also, quite often, a second correlation between that forward presentation and a (relative) brightness in the treble. As far as I can tell, these features are often preferred and indeed seem to be aimed for in the voicing of many models during their development. To my ears, speakers in this category were the Treos, O/93s, and Veneres. Somewhere in the middle were the CM10s and the Liutos. A bit more laid back were the Dynaudios and the Vienna Acoustics.

I have to say that I like row M. I like the soundstage to start at the plane of the speakers’ drivers, and extend well behind them, with the speakers pulled well out into the room to achieve that sense of depth. And I don’t like bright.

The X38s, which I heard a while ago, were overall “polite”, and now I’m thinking they may not have been fully broken in. The Focus 380 sounded good but somehow a little homogenized or artificial; the timbre and the presentation were pleasant, but it was harder to forget that you were listening to a stereo system. The Baby Grands were a clear favorite among the models so far (only surpassed by the Liszts, as was to be expected). They were natural, relaxed, with all the characteristics I’ve been looking for, save that ultimate few hertz in bass extension.

I conclude from this that I am in a distinct minority. So be it. I haven’t been able to hear the VA Beethoven Concert Grands (that experience suggests should fit the bill), nor any models from Harbeth, Spendor, Silverline, Aerial, or Joseph Audio that I suspect—but cannot be sure—I might also like.

And so the search goes on; paradoxically, my experiences so far lead me to put little to no faith in reviews, but it’s only reviews (and on-line audio forums like this one) that allow me to construct a short-list of what to try to audition in the future.
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>> Models that I’ve been able to hear (as for many of us, there are geographical challenges) are, in no particular order, B&W CM10, Dynaudio Excite X38, Vandersteen Treo, Sonus Faber Venere 3.0, Devore Orangutan O/93, Dynaudio Focus 380, Vienna Acoustics Beethoven Baby Grand Symphony Edition, Sonus Faber Liuto. <<

Well, it seems that despite your geographical challenges, you've been able to audition 9 or more speakers - and you've "heard" about 4or 5 others. To tell you the truth, I doubt you'd be able to audition any more speakers even if you lived smack dab in the middle of New York City.

And I'm still trying to figure out what is the reason for your post. You clearly know what kind of sound you prefer and you have certainly listened to quite a few speakers. So, what's your question(s) to us???

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The only truly local speakers were the B&Ws and the Golden Ears. Everything else involved long day-trips or taking advantage of business travel to other cities.

The question (admittedly more implied than stated explicitly) is really there in the penultimate paragraph: given the preferred sound profile that I've tried to describe, in your collective experience do those other brands not yet auditioned offer an acoustic presentation similar to--or that even surpasses--that of the Baby Grands?
Mapman: I heard the Baby Grands in a room approximately 25' x 16', with high ceilings.

My room at home is 16'6" x 14'8", with 8' ceilings. Do you think that will give any more reinforcement to the bass, if I experiment with placement?
Smaller room in general will be easier to "pressurize" for good bass. Of course there is more to each room than size so each case is somewhat unique. Your room is much smaller than the one you heard so keep that in mind. You'll know for sure when you listen and tweak in your room.

If you like a more laid back sound mostly behind the speakers you might want to take a look at the ohm Walsh line which sells direct and offers a lengthy in home audition period.
"And so the search goes on; paradoxically, my experiences so far lead me to put little to no faith in reviews, but it’s only reviews (and on-line audio forums like this one) that allow me to construct a short-list of what to try to audition in the future."

That's exactly how you are supposed to use reviews. You get ideas, and then go and explore them. The only thing I would add to your comments on issues like imaging and staging, is that the electronics have at least as much of an effect in those areas as the speakers.