New DAC Not a Dramatic Improvement?


Ok, So after much thought and asking questions here on audiogon as to whether I should get a new cdp or DAC, I decided on a DAC because I plan on implementing a music server with a Mac Mini. I got it last week and hooked it up so that I could do A/B comparisons with my cdp as is, and through the DAC. My cdp is a 1-2 year old Onkyo dv-sp405 dvd/cd player. At first I was impressed. The bass and vocals were more defined, and there seemed to be more space. Not a lot more space, but just a little bit more openess. The vocals were also moved forward in the soundstage and had more thickness. The thing is, none of these things were very dramatic. THe more time I have sat and listened and done comparisons on many cd's I find the results vary. On some cd's there is significant improvement, and on others, hardly noticeable. In a blind test, do I think I could reliably say whether I was listening to the cdp directly or through the DAC? Let's just say I wouldnt bet my life on it. I probably wouldnt even bet 20$ on it, unless I could hear the two back to back, and on some recordings, not even then.

Now I know about diminishing returns, but I would think the difference between a 150$ dvd/cdp and a 2K$ DAC would be pretty obvious. On top of that, My DAC is hooked up with Transparent Cables (MW Super) and my cdp with 50$ Monster Cables.

Continuing.. I expect some people with say that a good dac needs a good transport. Some will probably say that the dac is being held back by the onkyo as a transport. I have also compared the cdp through the DAC against apple lossless files played from my computer through USB. They are identical.

What could be the weak link? I do not want to say what DAC I am using but lets just say it is a very recent one and around 2K. It is from a very respected company and very well reviewed. My other gear is a McIntosh MA6450 integrated, gallo ref 3.1 speakers, transparent cables. Could it be that my amp is not very revealing? I am thinking about selling the DAC and getting a cheaper one (DAC MAGIC, PS AUDIO DL3) since I will need one for my Mac Mini anyway. Honestly, I just dont think I can justify having 2K in my current DAC for the minimal difference.

Thanks for any insight you can provide.
farjamed
If it is the Bryston, as has already been speculated, you should know that which input you use to connect it to the transport will have a considerable impact on the sound. To say nothing of the cable being used. There's an interesting thread on this very topic over on AudioCircle right now.
Audioengr

I'm surprised that you recommend the Valab that much. Especially since you produce DAC's. You really think they are that good? Now you've got me wondering..

I would like to hear your detailed feedback on them.
Tholt,

Tvad's interpretation of what I said and meant is correct.

At that price point (used), I think separates in general will work better. I think the build quality needed for an integrated with similar performance would make it cost more.

Not to say there may well be a very good integrated for this application at that price point. I just do not know of one off the cuff. I offered the solution that I am most confident will work for lowest cost. That's all.
And I read that he didn't know a GOOD ENOUGH HIGH CURRENT INTEGRATED that would work as well as the combo. To which I then, and still, doubt. but im done splitting hairs.
Tholt (Threads | Answers)

You're not splitting hairs. You're not comprehending.

What you doubt in this case is of no relevance to Mapman's comment.

Is English your first language?
"Apple lossless is exactly what the word says: Lossless. Period."

That all depends on whether you rip directly to ALAC with iTunes or rip with EAC first and then convert to ALAC with iTunes. Try it.

Steve N.
Empirical Audio