Personal turntable/cartridge evolution


I just ran across the two year old personal speaker evolution and personal amp evolution threads. I am amazed that so far nobody has ever posted the question with respect to turntables/cartridge combinations.

Same deal as the other threads. I will start with my short odyssey through the worl of turntables:

1993 Linn Basik/Akito/K9
1998 Rega Planar 3/RB300/Elys
2000 Rega Planar 3/RB300/Denon DL103
2004 Michell Tecnodec/RB600/Ortofon Kontrapunkt A and Denon DL103R

Enjoy!

Rene
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RCA mono luggable (1960-2000) (still have, but inop)
Garrard changer (1960-1970)
ELAC Miracord 620 w/AudioTechnica (?) cart (1970-1977)
Rega Planar 2, Audiocraft AC300C, Grace F9L (1977-198X)
cart changed to Grace F9E (198X-199X)
Rega Planar 3, RB300, Bluepoint Special (199X-2006)
Garrard 401, Scheu Tacco, ??? (still in process) (2006- )
Hi Rwd
Yes, its their latest stab at the SOTA of turntable playback. There are 2 models, just simply called no1 and no2, no2 being their top of the line, which is the one I got.

I bought the Scheu unseen/unheard, only through the pictures and descriptions of the dealer in Singapore and what he could gather from German designer's attempt to translate some musical feature from German to English. Obviously something got lost in the process. Nevertheless, the benchmark for comparison was their Premier model, so I had no reason to doubt it was going to sound better. The question was - how much better?

Now as to whether a suspension or a suspensionless table would be better - I did hear their Premier model(grandfather if you will) and the children, the Teres and Galibier (missed the Redpoint though), at the RMAF'05 and at Thom's lovely home. My experiences with the rigid/high mass school left me with no doubt that these designs were superior to any suspension-based design. As to which to get, I was leaning towards the Galibier, but the previous models were above my budget, besides considerations on support due to distance. My attempts to contact Teres were all unsuccessful and the tables at the RMAF left me disappointed.

Then Scheu came up with these what'd-you-call-it? DL tables and the design of the No2 appealed to me. I decided to pull the trigger on this as my Kuzma Stabi('97) was showing signs of aging. I had heard their Reference model - which was highly raved by the hi-fi press and it certainly is a great table - the design is one of the most elegant ways of implementing a suspension on a rigid plinth. Nevertheless it still had a suspension and a rubber belt and a hefty price tag to go along.

After a couple of days of living with the Scheu No2, I can safely say it is a significant upgrade over anything I've heard so far - with the exception of the Rockport. As the design was based on an acrylic platter, I had expected it to be a little "dead" sounding in the mids - a typical criticism of acrylic. However the reality was surprisingly the opposite. In combination with the Mystic Mat, the mids are fleshed out even more accurately than any suspension based design. As expected of high mass designs, the bass tightened up tremendously, both in terms of tonal accuracy and weight. Dynamics took a quantum leap, this table being very quiet. The sense of pace/speed was also enhanced now with the string belt as opposed to a rubber belt. A most important aspect often overlooked by some tables, is scale. On the Scheu, the images are big/full/life-sized, not cardboard cutouts.

I just re-listened to Holly Cole's "Don't Smoke in Bed" and now realise what the Trio were doing to make music - on one of the tracks, the pianist was plucking the strings of the piano, and on another track, he was tapping on the piano's woodwork. Things which I hadn't noticed/heard before. Impressive, truely impressive indeed!
CMK....WOW...I am happy for you! I am also interested in upgrading my TT and arm. I am leaning toward the Galibrier Glavia and a Schroder Ref arm. However, the Schroder may take longer then a year to get. So I am leaning towards a Tri-Planer. I know quite a few here (douddeacon) speaks very favorably about the Tri. Did you have to wait long for the mod 2 Schroder?
Did you ever hear a Galibrier??? As to this new model #2 is the belt a string or a flat belt? Doug has commented that the flat belt made a BIG improvement over the original thin belt on his Teres. Now you have me thinking about possibly a Scheu?
Hi Rwd
The Galibier and Schroeder would be an excellent combination. I've heard about the long waiting time, here in Singapore, the dealer said he had trouble getting any Schroeder arm, so I'm considered to be one of the lucky few. Some time ago, I had heard about the rave reviews and decided to see what all the excitment was all about and so became the first in Asia to get a Schroeder. I was on a budget so I went for their entry Model 2 and have never looked back since. I waited about 2-3 months, but that was then. Now, well your guess is as good as mine.

I did have the opportunity to listen to a friend's Reference and it is more resolving and "rounder", though I would not be describe the difference as night and day. System difference would of course make a direct comparison difficult. While at Thom's home, I did hear the Reference and TriP side-by-side. The TriP is as good as any bearing arm will get. The Reference though presented music more naturally, unforced.

I got a wicked idea: get the model 2 instead of those 2 arms and spend the difference on a Loricraft! Believe me, this in itself is a major upgrade.

Yes, I heard the previous top model with the above arms. The Scheu model 2 uses a string. I would not want to comment on what Doug heard having not heard it. However a wooden base would have a color of its own, it does not surprise therefore that a belt would help tighten the image. The main issue here is speed stability and I would reckon that the high mass of the platter would make up for any speed issues. I still strongly believe that the Mystic Mat made a bigger difference than all the exotic platters.

As to tightening/sharpening of images, I once was pulled towards that end of the spectrum. On hind sight, sharp/pin-point images are not natural/real, except in anachoic(sp?) chambers, but no one lives in one. Music should be live, live-sized, dynamic. It would be such a waste if music reproduced sounded precise, pin-point in an artificially small soundstage after spending that kind of money.
Sorry all for derailing this thread....I should add my comments on my TT/arm evolution (if I can remember!)!

Started with a Garrard (in the early 70's so I don't recall the model) and Shure 3
Then went on to...
dual 1219
Phillips 212
Thorens 125 (great)
then the Linn for many , many years and with all the significant upgrades (lingo was the best)
and now the VPI Aries with 10.5 arm (see my system)

Best of all?? I think...VPI-Linn?
Best arm? Not sure
Best cartridge....Decca Gold...1978-79!!!!!!!!!!