Tracking issue with dynavector 20XL


I recently purchased a Dynavector 20XL for my VPI Scout. I have been setting it up for the last couple of hours and I THINK I have it right but when I put it through the Bias Setting 300hz (track 8) on the Hi-Fi News test LP it squeals like a pig!!!The only way I can stop this is by increasing the sylus force to 2.5+ grams which I know exceeds the manufacturers recommended weight of 1.8- 2.2grams. I love the sound I am getting from the cartridge and everything I read here and on Vinyl asylum about this cart being a great match for the Scout appears to be true. I am noticing subtle differences on my copy of THE WELL that are very positive. How much weight(pardon the pun) should I put on cartridge not passing the track 8 test? I previously used a Grado Gold, Goldring Eroica ,and Denon DL103. All three passed the 8 track test with no problem.
flyfisher
Let me make sure I have this correct--the idea in using the test record is to try to get the buzzing the same in both channels--correct?
Correct, using whichever one of bands 6-9 on Side 1 causes just enough buzzing to be audible.

A BETTER way to use the HFN&RR record to adjust antiskating is to play the three, widely spaced "Tracking Test" bands on side two. Skating forces vary from outer to inner grooves, so using three widely spaced bands is superior to using just one. IF your cartridge buzzes on these bands (some won't), adjust antiskating until the buzzing is roughly equal L/R on all three bands. Very careful setups will have equal buzzing on the middle band and mirror-imaged buzzing on the inner and outer bands.

The BEST way to use the HFN&RR record is to support a stack of real records, to keep them from warping. Mine hasn't left its sleeve in over a year.

I think that is about what I have right now, which would explain why I am getting good sound despite all the buzzin goin on.
Sounds right to me!

Let me ask you a question--given the misdirections how did you figure out the answer?
Research here and on VA, setting up lots of cartridges, listening while thinking, thinking while listening. :-)

- An "antiskating" band at only one location is wrong (skating forces vary across the record)

- The amplitudes of those bands are far higher than real music (and since skating varies with stylus/groove friction, unnaturally high amplitues yield false results)

Antiskating impairs any cartridge's sonic performance. Just ask Harry Weisfeld. The best sound is obtained using the least amount necessary to prevent mistracking. Once I learned how to hear antiskate changes while listening to music those faulty test tracks became altogether useless.

Try this: toss the HFN record into a corner and play the most dynamic record you own with antiskating set to zero. Reduce VTF in tiny increments until the cartridge starts to mistrack (buzz) on the R channel. Now add just enough antiskate to eliminate the buzzing and bump VTF back up by a couple hundredths of a gram - no more. Play your favorite records. I'll wager you'll be surprised by the sonic improvement.

Cheers,
Doug

P.S. An easy way to make tiny, repeatable VTF adjustments on arms that lack a fine adjustment is to slip a few O-rings onto or off of the end stub. You can reliably adjust VTF by just a couple hundredths of a gram with this method, which I use every day. (... and Raul has watched me do it and heard the results!)
What an education!!! I feel like I'm back in school, and enjoying it. I will try the o rings and put that record AWAY.
Always a pleasure reading your responses Doug. Thank you for the help as I had also the same issues/thoughts with my Scout and Dynavector 20X-L.

David
"P.S. An easy way to make tiny, repeatable VTF adjustments on arms that lack a fine adjustment is to slip a few O-rings onto or off of the end stub".

I wish I'd thought of that--adjusting VTF with the Scout is nearly impossible. The slightest movement of the counterweight, even to adjust azmiuth (sp?) changes the downforce radically. I'll try the O-Rings and now see a reason to invest in a digital guage.

Thanks for your help
Try this: toss the HFN record into a corner and play the most dynamic record you own with antiskating set to zero. Reduce VTF in tiny increments until the cartridge starts to mistrack (buzz) on the R channel. Now add just enough antiskate to eliminate the buzzing and bump VTF back up by a couple hundredths of a gram - no more. Play your favorite records. I'll wager you'll be surprised by the sonic improvement.

You know Doug, it seemed to me that going through all the intricate details oF VTF, VTA & then leaving the anti-skating to the band on the HFNRR records was missing something. Now that I'm into setting up my system after having it in storage for almost two years things are being looked fresh. Now that Kevin has come up with the prototypr RCA & DIN monting plates for ther 1200 I'm REALLY thinking how to extract the most out of the Creature.

When I'm ready I'll give your method a careful try. My only question is, will this work equally well when using a tonearm fluid damper?

There is a difference between knowing the path & walking the path. Where's HiFi Tommy?

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