Rega P3-24, Pro-Ject RM-5, or Technics 1200?


I'm in the market for a turntable and have been looking at the Rega P3-24 and the Pro-Ject RM-5. I was a DJ, so I already have 2 Technics SL-1200 MK2s, but based on things I'd read elsewhere assumed that these would never really be "hi-fi". I came to Audiogon to see what people had to say about the Rega and Pro-Ject tables and was surprised to find quite a few postings saying that the 1200s could sound as good or better than either of these. Most of these posts discuss KAB modified 1200s. I've already got the tables, can I get the modifications made to one of my existing tables, and which mods would folks suggest? Also, if people think this is the route to go, what cartridge would you suggest? If this isn't the route to go, which table would you suggest?

Just for reference, here's my current system:
- NuForce IA-7 integrated amp
- Reference 3A MM DeCapo speakers
- Arcam CD36 CD Player
- Bellari Moving Magnet Tube Phono Preamp

Thanks for your suggestions!
mcarlson
Hi guys - I thought I made it clear that I had not heard a modified Technics, and that therefore my comments only applied to the unmodified one, which I have heard. I take your word for it that the modifications improve it, but I stand by what I said about the unmodified ones compared to the Regas.

As for the Bellari comment, I posted that because the OP already has one, and I use one myself with my Rega P5/Exact 2 combo - I am fully aware that it is for MM only.

A couple of other comments about using the Regas - the platter comes up to speed within 5 - 10 seconds, this is not an issue to me (I also use the TT-PSU), and I don't see why one would turn off the platter in between LP's anyway? What would be the advantage of doing this? Also, the Rega's are designed so that one does not have to mess with VTA - I have never found an adjustment to be necessary, assuming the table was set up properly in the first place. They do have an anti-skate adjustment. I don't own any 45's, but it is very easy to move the belt if one wanted to. As for having to change it once a year, that I hadn't heard before, and I have only had mine eight months now. The belt shows no visible signs of wear yet. I would think it will last much longer than one year.

By saying I am not a tweaker, I meant that I was never very technically inclined, so the Regas, which are about as close to set-it-and-forget-it as it gets, appealed. Mine was set up for me by my dealer, who also mounted the cartridge, and I don't plan on messing with the set up in the future unless I have to (though I did brave a small anti-skate adjustment, which was easy and made a huge difference). Since then I have learned quite a bit more about the whole thing, and am still learning - I have learned a great deal from everyone on this site in particular. When I eventually do upgrade the whole analog rig, which won't be for a long time yet, I will know much more than I do now, and will be ready to be more of a tweaker if required. But in the meantime, the Rega both sounded better and was less overall fuss, the perfect combination for me.
Learsfool, some very good comments. Thank you.

There is one that raises a question:
12-09-08: Learsfool
...the Rega's are designed so that one does not have to mess with VTA - I
have never found an adjustment to be necessary, assuming the table was set
up properly in the first place.

Why do you suppose there are aftermarket VTA adjusters made for the Rega
tables, if the tables/arm are designed to not allow this adjustment?

I have to assume some Rega owners discover improved sound from their
tables by dialing in VTA. Would you agree?

If so, do you suppose the Rega VTA is optimized for Rega cartridges, and the
use of other cartridges might require VTA adjustment?
Very good explanation, Learsfool, and good question, Tvad....... From what I've gathered by reading a gazillion reviews of Rega TT's in preparation for my upcoming purchase of a brand new Rega P3-24 with a Rega Exact cartridge mounted and set up by my dealer (Yea !!!....only a week away.....I can hardly wait !), the VTA of both the RB-301 and RB-700 arms is pre-set for Rega cartridges. Using other brand pick-ups will require the proper use of single or multiple 2mm. shims under the arm base to provide the proper VTA. VTA adjustments should not be necessary with the Rega cartridge line. One of the many reasons for my choosing the Rega Exact instead of the Dynavector 10x5 or Benz-Micro Ace is that I feel the "systems approach" of matching a Rega cartridge with a Rega arm and a Rega table makes sense. Obviously, others may disagree, but that's how I feel.
Now,....let's all relax, cue up our favorite record, and enjoy the music !!
Hey folks - thanks for all the responses. Based on suggestions, I think I'm going to start off by changing to a Sumiko Headshell and get the Audio Technica AT150MLX cartridge.

Then I'll get the KAB fluid damper and the Isonoe footers. I'm not sure about the tonearm rewire, as my tables are so old I don't have the original boxes to ship to KAB, and I'm not sure that's something I can do myself.

In fact, after reading through various posts on here, I'm worried about just swapping out the headshell and cartridge. What kind of tools am I going to need to get this set up properly? I see mentions of stylus force gauges, protractors, etc. This is all a new process to me. It's beginning to sound more complicated than I thought it would be and I want to make sure I'm going to be able to pull it off ;-)
Swapping the headshell requires no tools, and changing the cartridge
requires only a screwdriver to fasten the cartridge screws, and a pair of small,
needle nose pliers to attach the cartridge wires to the headshell.

You will need an alignment protractor to align the stylus, and a small, flat
make-up mirror to set azimuth.

Honestly, if you decide to change your headshell and cartridge, a MintLP protractor would be the best $110 you ever spent on the Technics. I'd suggest also buying the magnifying loupe for an additional $10. If you use the MintLP protractor, then you will not need an additional mirror.

As far as shipping to KAB is concerned, why not contact Kevin? He might have
an empty Technics box and packing he could send to you so you could pack
your table in it and return it to him. No guarantees, but it's worth asking, and
he might have some other ideas for shipping solutions.

You don't HAVE to spend a great deal of money, but you will have to invest
some time and patience if you choose to change your headshell and cartridge.
It comes with the territory.

As an alternative, KAB sells modified Ortofon and Stanton cartridges that are
plug-n-play with the Technics. You wouldn't need a protractor or any of the
other tools.

Finally, the option of a Rega with an Exact cartridge also appears to be a
hassle-free alternative.

Many options.