TW-Acustic Arm

Hi Dgad, I do understand that Dertonarms position in this thread may provoke resistance. But where when not here can we discuss openly - with open vizor. In the magazines? I don`t think so. In the German Forums - perish this thought!

Critizising a concept or a product or a maker is fully ok as it is also fine that you love Thomas` products or I do this with Micros and so on. Dertonarm needs not to buy Thomas` tonearm as Thomas needs not to buy Dertonarms products.

But sending someone back to German Forums - do you know what you are intending to do, maybe not. You would see service troops running around praising their gods - why? Because they get a discount from the chorister. Would you like ending up like this? Hopefully not! Enjoy

How can anyone openly criticise any particular product if one has not heard it.

Nobody is putting a gun to anyone's head to buy a TW tonearm or any other product. Whether or not it is good value is up to the potential purchaser to decide.

Personally it seems expensive, as it is more costly than say the excellent Phantom. However if it outperforms a Phantom it would be seen to be good value - no ?. It is certainly cheaper than the audio jewellery Da Vinci tonearms.

At least we have actual TW owners or interested owners sharing their excitment of a new product.

The attitude of some of our nice German collegues reeks of petty jealousy from my viewpoint.

cheers

How about a stoning? Dgad is seller of little stones, round stones, cornery stones and when the victim says"Fr-66s" the stoning will start.

Dear Dgad, dear Downunder, you both are proud owners of TW's turntables and probably soon of his tonearm too.
Fine.
I don't think that I kind of loose some of my words, intentions or phrases by converting them into english.
My german is much sharper - no doubt, but I guess you have got me quite well.
Your reaction shows I am right.
Apparently TW has now activated some of his prime international supporters.
Fine again.
How can I criticise a component I haven't heard?

I have placed critic about design issues and a price tag were I can detect no faint correlation to material input, production effort or new features.
I know from the by now widely know design features of the 10.5 very well its virtues and flaws.

See - this is the very first product from a company which has so far only put some decent turntables to the market. I simply do not see any reason for giving this tonearm high praise.
It surely will sound great in your systems - of course, you bought/buy it and you already fall for the sound of TWs turntables.
That is great for you - fine for me and thanks god, not my problem.
Why I still dare even mentioning the FR-66s of decades gone by ?
Because it addressed and incorporated solves for issues in pivot tonearm design which the designers (and the vast majority of all tonearm designers in the past 30 years...) of the TW 10.5 - and most likely (at least so far...) the reviewers of the magazines testing it... - didn't even detected existing.

Try to build a FR-66s w/B-60 today - you will be shocked how expensive the were construction costs are (and I have the schematics for both....). About 4-5 times the production costs of the TW 10.5 w/base - even in a production run of 20-50 samples in a row.
Will or can the TW 10.5 "outperform" (a strange word indeed in this context...) a Phantom or Phantom II ?
Maybe if set up by TW or one of you......
If a Phantom or Phantom II is set up by me, it will show its virtues and I would be happy to demonstrate its superiority with todays top-flight cartridges.
Even on a TW turntable.
Give me 30 minutes with the Phantom II on any Raven with a good cartridge and I show you what good design can produce aside from marketing hype and supporter groups in online chats.

How about a shoot-out at the High-End 2010 ?
Would be a great chance for TW to proof that there are no guts behind my big mouth ....

good day mates.....

Dear Thuchan, the problem is, that plain technical issues and critic not based on personal opinion or "but it sounds good to me" is not wanted, if the manufacturer want's to use a online forum as a free-of-charge marketing platform only.
What provokes my participation in this thread is the hype about a mediocre new product which is - from its mere design parameters and plain viewing less than optimal. Yet graced with a very serious price tag and the hail of the new king and conquerer.