Good turntable needed, need recomendations.

Dear Programmergeek: When I don't have know-how on a subject ( any ) then I'm ignorant on that subject, example I don't know any single Chinese word so I'm ignorant on Chinese language.

This is what I mean when I speak about knowledge-ignorance level. I never posted something to insult a person especially when that person ( you ) does not gives any " motivation " for I respond on that way.

Now, if you are in your dealer's hands then be absolutely sure that he really is a vinyl guy with the right knowledge level.

The whole analog subject is not only to choose the right matched analog items. This is only the first part of the " party ", the second part is the right set-up of the analog set that in many ways is more complicate than the first part.

It is obvious that at this time you can't make the analog item set by your self so here your delaer will play a critical role.

Many of the persons in this forum been in analog for several years ( 10-20-30+ years. ) and I'm sure that many of them ( including me ) are still learning on the whole analog subject and how to achieve a next top step on quality performance level.

Digital is a great plug&play source where we almost don't need to worry about almost anything. Unfortunatelly analog is so imperfect that we have to worry even about room temperature.

Welcome a board but you need to know that you need time and patience to learn. If you do then the rewards will come along.

Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul.

Raul is right. I got back into vinyl about five years ago, and it has taken me that long to get the full measure of what my modest analog front end can do. But, even though modest, it sounds stunning. Unless you do have ready access to someone very well qualified to set things up for you, you may be in for some very frustrating days (they can run into years). To learn as you go takes much of your time, so know that going in, unless you are satisfied with having to rely on a dealer, or someone else for help whenever you need it.

Important also, is the aspect of satisfaction in knowing that you have accomplished a very fine listening system, through you own hands-on efforts. If that kind of reward appeals to you, I urge you to take the hands-on approach if you are able, along with some knowledgeable folks, such as there are on this forum. Best of luck to you, and keep us informed as to your progress, if you would, I'll be cheering you on.

Regards,
Dan

I aggree Dan, I alwas have but I need a starting point. that I won't outgrow in a year. On the bright side all the vinal I have herd has been stunning compaired to my cd player.

Dear programmergeek: +++++ " and just like to listen to music and all the vinal I here in other systems is so much better than my cd player. " +++++

+++++ " On the bright side all the vinal I have herd has been stunning compaired to my cd player. " ++++

you posted twice on the same subject and this " worry " me about your overall audio system quality performance level.

I don't know if you still have the Cary CDP but even if you have in a good quality performance system the differences between digital and analog are there but IMHO are not so big as I assume you are hearing or heard it.

Digital source is a lot more demanding medium of what is surrounded as an audio items ( audio system. ).

A digital source has a lot lower noise/distortions/colorations/frequency deviations/etc than an analog one.
That higher accuracy level with digital makes that any other " imperfections " through the different links in the audio chain system will comes " alive " where through analog are " hidded " through the it self analog higher imperfections.

IMHO when through digital an audio system gives you " satisfaction " then through the same system the analog alternative gives you " satisfaction " too but its differences are really smallest that we can think and IMHO and especially with DVDA/SACD I think the digital medium outperforms ( overall ) the analog experience ( LPs. ). Yes, there are several very bad CDs recordings but the same is true with LPs.

The advancements in the digital technology IMHO already goes at a level that can compete ( in the right audio system. ) with the analog alternative but this depend not only that your digital source/pklayer be of a latest technology but that your audio system be up to the task.

My today experiences are that if today we are not satisfied with what we are hearing through digital then could be not because the digital medium but we could think why our audio system is not showing what the digital can shows on quality level performance.

IMHO digital today is a lot better that we can think but " we don't know that " because what we heard tell us it is not but maybe and I say only " maybe " we could be wrong and the digital is really better that we thinked.

Anyway, I think that for what you posted about maybe it's time to make a system " check-up ", only my thoughts.

Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul.

Is it just me, or is the above discussion almost impossible to understand due to spelling and grammatical errors. It almost seems as though I am reading something written by persons for whom english is a second or third language, or by the people who prepare chinese ad copy. I suppose there is good information there, but I just cant work my way through it to find out.