Dave Brubeck

Rok2id,
I have heard both Brubeck and Desmond in concert. Brubeck's Time Out was revolutionary. I remember well when it came out. It took the jazz world by storm. The jazz world had never heard anything like it before. Brubeck's compositions are totally original, unique and unequaled. Listen to Paul Morello's solos -- the man was blind. Just listen to the genius of Morello playing the genius of Brubeck.

As a piano great you cannot compare Brubeck to other piano greats such as Art Tatum or Oscar Peterson, for example. Brubeck is technically brilliant but his style is his own. Art Tatum was mainly a soloist, though not exclusively. Oscar Peterson had a powerful command of the keyboard -- I saw him play him in the 1980s -- but he was not known for his original compositions. Brubeck was certainly a great -- a great pianist and a great composer.

With all due respect, since when has venue ever been the measure of an artist's genius? Why in the world would playing in a concert hall ever make an artist a lesser giant than playing in a club? Were any of the classical piano virtuosos club players? Venue is a totally irrelevant measure to use in this respect. IMO.

Rok2id, your astute knowledge of jazz has left me very little wiggle room to defend Dave Brubeck as a "giant of jazz". First, I based my statement primarily on Mr. Brubeck's longevity.

In regard to his music as compared to what most "jazz aficionado's" would consider the "hippest", there are other jazz artists who would rank higher than Dave Brubeck, but so many of them flashed across the sky like shooting stars, that only aficionado's like yourself even remember their names. If not too long ago, I had seen any one of the artists you might have in mind, I would regard them with the same awe and admiration, as I did Mr. Brubeck.

"With all due respect, since when has venue ever been the measure of an artist's genius? Why in the world would playing in a concert hall ever make an artist a lesser giant than playing in a club? Were any of the classical piano virtuosos club players? Venue is a totally irrelevant measure to use in this respect. IMO."

You missed my point. Playing concerts does not make you a lesser player, BUT, all the greats did play clubs, esp in the early stages of their career. It's how they developed as players. The interaction with many other players and the imprompto jam sessions. The atmosphere!! MJQ is a possible exception, but they were trying to take Jazz in a direction Jazz was not ready to go. As an example, there are a lot of 'so-called' BLUES players that have never seen the inside of a Mississippi Delta Juke Joint!!!
Can't get the essence of the blues playing in london.

So, brubeck was ok. He didn't grate on my nerves/ears, BUT, he didn't move me either. Good background music that is very good to demonstrate high-end stereo systems. Just as an aside, I purchased most of my LPs / CDs after reading reviews by professional reviewers. Esp in my early days before I developed my own prefernces. Out of 700+ Jazz CDS, I own one Brubeck CD. TIME OUT. Tells me the pros didn't like him that much either.
Wanna hear real Jazz?? Listening to Louis Armstrong's 'Ambassador Satch' as I type. BTW, he used to play houses of ill repute! :) Essence of Jazz!!!! :)

Arguing about exactly what is jazz is a dead end. If it was made after 1918 and didn't come from New Orleans, can it really be called jazz?

To deny Dave Brubeck's importance in jazz history is silly.

"Arguing about exactly what is jazz is a dead end. If it was made after 1918 and didn't come from New Orleans, can it really be called jazz?

To deny Dave Brubeck's importance in jazz history is silly.

The silly thing is to say nothing after 1918 is Jazz. And no one is denying Brubeck's importance, just trying to decide just how important. I say not very, in the greater scheme.