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What Sets Price on Turntables?

So, just starting out on a very limited budget and needing a turntable, the first thing I did was check ebay. I know, probably not the best move but I am a beginner and on an extremely tight budget.

After settling on a Bang & Olufsen 4004 turntable (brand due to my dad's old B&O RX) I checked the listings and found two options. One was at the starting bid of $200, while another had a starting bid of over $700, a third had a $300 listing and a fourth had a $500 listing.

I compared the pictures and didn't see any major flaws in the lower priced turntables that, in my opinion, would mark it down from $700+ to $200.
I decided to check this out and again found listings for a Beogram 4002 with the same stylus for $103 at 13 bids and $925. I also saw two listings for a Beogram 8002, one with a MMC2 stylus ($1,295) and the more expensive ($2,000) with the MMC 1.

So, what/why do some of the same TTs with the same styli have such massive differences in price? Is it true that the devil is in the details and every minor scratch can deduct hundreds from the price? Or is it something like the condition the table has been kept in, or even ignorance on the owner's end as to what they are selling?

And if you want to know, I got the Beogram 4004 as my first Turntable at $200 with an MMC 20CL cartridge but lacking a dust cover which I will now be looking for.
isaac_berger
elizabeth
6,726 posts
 
First off Beogram is a TOTAL mistake. The stylus is no longer produced. So as soon as the original is worn out, That TT is scrap.
The Beogram is a very special design, and no other stylus is interchangable.
I would NEVER suggest anyone buy a used Beogram TT, due to the replacement stylus issue.

As far as prices of any used TT.. The sellers are all individuals. Each person can set any price they want. Some think they are selling gold, others just want to pass on some nice equipment they had used..
Most are retail used stuff sellers, who only have a vague idea what they are actually selling.
isaac_berger OP
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Roscoeiii: it turns out that the owner actually lives relatively nearby and we decided that it would be better if he delivered the TT himself rather than through a shipping service for exactly those reasons.

Acman3: the cartridge as described by the listing should have a good amount of playing time still on it. About this, is there any way to know how much longer a cartridge has/when it is worn out asides from seeing that it is bent/destroyed?

Elizabeth: Sound Smith actually makes and sells replacement cartridges for Beorgram TTs although a replacement MMC 20CL costs about $650, well outside of my current budget. I also don't believe that I will have this TT for so long that obtaining a stylus for it will become too difficult.

Thanks for the info.
buconero117
2,311 posts
 
Like everything, the market. Value is in the eye of the beholder. Go used on something you can pick up. Cartridge wise go with a Shure 97, especially since you do not plan to be into TT for long. I wish my audio life was that simple.
lewm
6,770 posts
 
The MMC20CL in good shape is worth more than $200, alone.
It can be re-tipped for much less than $650, if and when needed. There are others in the re-tip business besides Sound Smith.
Buconero, Unless I am mistaken, the Shure 97 is not a P mount type, and the tonearm on the Beogram accepts P mount cartridges only. (But perhaps there is an adapter for standard mount cartridges; I wouldn't know.) However, there are a lot of P mount cartridges out there to choose from, push comes to shove, some of them cheap and good.

In summary, no one knows why eBay auctions are all over the place, and you should not care. If your turntable works. well and if the cartridge is in good shape, you did very well.
stevecham
3,298 posts
 
I agree that the B&O is a BIG mistake and you should have asked us here first. Much better choices include Rega, Project and Music Hall.
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