Brinkmann vs TW Acustic


Was wondering how these two German manufacturers compare.
Bardo vs Raven One
Oasis vs Raven GT
LaGrange vs Raven AC
Is there a unique sound signature that goes up with the range? Which is a better value? (i.e. maybe the Oasis is better than the Raven AC)
Have heard both in show conditions, but could not pin-point their contribution to the end result as the rest of the system was unfamiliar as well.
iaxelrod
Hmmm.. I found a review of KAB strobe on 6moon that claimed that KAB strobe error is +- 0.03%, that's +- 0.001 rpm so any turntable that is measured ok on KAB strobe should have a speed of 33.333+-0.01 rpm or 33.323-33.343.
Pitchwise, to change a semitone, you need 6% error, so KAB strobe would give maximum of half a cent off (you get 100 cent between each semitone). Some author claims threshold for audibility difference in pitch is about 5-6 cents, one study on student musicians showed threshold of +- 12 cents.

Timing wise, about +- 0.3 second for a 20 minute tracks.
Dev , We all try to save money and where or how you purchased your TT is not an issue.Your remark that you didn't want Jeff to get his ridiculous chunk of change and yet was willing to give your VAC dealer his commision shows you have something against Jeff.
What is also puzzling is that although your TW table was purchased through diverted channels you would then ask Jeff or Thomas for assistance.
You have an outstanding system,I wish you many tears of enjoyment
As for your mention above that my question was a stupid post I'll just chalk it up to you having a bad day.
Dgad,

I recall where you live and thx for the invite. As I wrote early we have had numerous great conversations.

Weather, it's spring time where I live so it's up and down but I'm currently in my place in Hawaii so it's very nice indeed! :-)

TW product, it's two fold, see below;

One being that it get tiresome reading misleading posts from TW owners suggesting such sounds the best and built the best as per Ebm first posting on this thread.

It's just not true

Second being I'm just providing first hand experience be it good or bad just as others do about other products in general but I find allot of TW owners appear to take it so personally as an attack.

It's only product, you even mentioned numerous changes to your existing product was a positive.

Bearing talk;

The bearing in my BN had a ball bearing on top and inside the platter the fitting at the top portion was green. The AC table I owned and others I have seen where not the same and had different bearings. The Raven one had a complete bearing change over also and couldn't be upgraded, same goes for the AC tables. Easier to just purchase a new table. I wonder just how many variances there are.

I'm curious about the BN tables mainly because of what you mentioned saying the bearing was the same in his AC table, when I purchased my BN due to my prior knowledge which was never openly disclosed by TW "Jeff or Thomas" or any owners I had asked wanting confirmation the table was the latest design and nothing in the works in relation to changes specially the bearing.

I was told it was and nothing was in the works, still have the emails from both Jeff and Thomas for confirmation.

Ebm,

your last posting is the usual one liners because you have nothing constructive to offer and only offer sarcasm and clearly demonstrates your character.


Don't forget to take your meds, did you get your left hearing aid or is it your right one checked as of yet, maybe that's what your problem is I'm not sure. I'm sure your controller has the same FLAWS as both Dgad and I have mentioned with ours, time to send it in but if you can't hear the difference really doesn't matter does it.