Brinkmann vs TW Acustic

Raulirugas,

you said; "Dev is talkind about one critical audio subject: accuracy and things are that he owns tube technology that IMHO is not really accurat"

Wow! as the norm attacks on another's gear, clearly demonstrates you really have no clue. I also own SS gear and other speakers.

You appear that you are suggesting what you own is more accurate, if so that's just too funny :-) Lets all go out and purchase what you have, does that make you happy now! Don't hold your breath on that one happening any time soon.

Curious is that table set-up in the front centre some type of room tuning device adding you position those figurines on top just so Ha! Ha!

Some above are making mention they can't hear the difference when the speed is not locked in for accurate speed, okay I can except that but there are others that can so...

Dgad who actually owns a TW BN table has mentioned in his own postings above he did along with what he hears, did you take the time to read. Syntax says he can and has described what he hears, I also do while using my TW BK so what does this mean. Some can and some can't.

I was able to catch some great waves and will do so again, life is good. Hang loose!

Dear Dev: I'm not questioning what you heard on that TW but only that you could be more specific about, less subjective and more objective. Tha's all.

I asked:

++++ " is so bad that has not a single performance virtue?, if from your point of view it has some virtues: why did not mentioned?, could you? " +++++

with no comments from you.

Certainly I don't want to buy a TW to confirm your posts, I don't need an additional TT. About MS TTs I don't go there ( with my unit ) to rebuild it and I'm not doing it mainly because by its roots/design is a faulty one. I prefer to have a non-faulty design and try to improve it, but this is me.

Anyway, go a head.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.

Dear Lewm: I agree with you that there are different kind of distortions. My " term " distortion means any kind of distortion it does not matters the distortion's source.

Now, how is that some persons is " suffering/supporting " distortions on electronics ( heavy ones. ) and not aware off and when a TT has tiny deviation from perfect speed then is aware of it and blame the item mainly because of that when ( for sure ) their past TTs had tiny deviations too especially if were BD ones.

I'm trying to figure what additional information was not disclosed yet on that TW subject that made that kind of " reaction " on the non-perfect speed.

The only thing clear to me is that the manufactturer did not take seriously and in deep the Dev complaints because if I was that TT manufacturer and due the TT high price I think that with or with out reason a customer deserve ( any customer ) a lot better treatment as can be: change the " evil item " for a new unit and that's all. Big mistake not did it because that manufacturer is losting a lot more through the Agon threads that changed that item.

Anyway, you have the idea ( I think? ).

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.

Dear Dgad: Very good point because some of us already posted here about the anomalies/unaccuracies that happen during the recording whole process till we have the LP on each one hands. Yes, it's from the tape where the grooves information comes and certainly does not meets that " perfect speed " we are asking for.

That is part of the whole analog imperfect medium.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.

Are you inferring that SME provides turntables with higher speed accuracy performance to professional musicians and conductors only? That is how I interpret your analogy to the BMW M5 reviewer and the club owners after they complained about performance.

It was just an example that you will find in every situation of real life something comparable like this discussion and that the sentence "...lots of happy owners" isn't worth the time to read. It may sound good, but it can be a lie also. So what....
I don't care about SME, Raven, Seiki, Kuzma, Clearaudio or whatever someone owns, I also know musicians who are very happy with a 1k Kenwood Stereo System, some get a lot of emotion when they hear a performance via their iPod and earplugs....
I believe in brain, the ability to do something right...but that's me

Timeline
The advantage from that unit is mainly, the user can adjust the speed with the VTF, means, a real time job when the record is played. Most other "adjustments" are only useable without VTF, that means, in real life it is a nice toy, but worth nothing.
I bought the Timeline as a tool to optimize my System, first, when I had the Basis Debut, that table was stable, no drift, the way it should be, same with Kuzma Reference and even the 20 year old Seiki is stable like a rock (MY Seiki ....) both speeds, 33 /45 ...I noticed very fast that this timeline will destroy a lot of dreams and it does. I gave it to a few audiophiles and there we discovered how many units can't be adjusted properly, independent from price...was new to me also...
I haven't checked it with a Brinkmann, the owner I know sold it some time ago, but not based on Timeline...but I think Steve from SOS tried one with TL and it is ok...
Ah, before I forget, the main question from all who hate that thing: "Is there an audible difference between a shifting red light and a stable red light behind the Turntable?"
Answer: "It depends.... :-) but yes, normally you can hear it at once, soundstage is deeper, focus is better, transients are more clear....simply less smeared notes.
Modern analog is mainly done cheap. Profit counts...here you can see it :-) But that has nothing to do with bearing, isolation, energy transfer, unleveled armoards ... That is too much I think. There are a lot of customers out there who prefer to believe instead to control what they buy. I have no problem with that, the "manufacturers" needs them...see the car story and I think, you will find something comparable in coffee machines, fridges, Tonearms and so on...
But shooting the messenger is an accepted solution here :-)
In the next Raven thread it will be repeated again and again... this ---> I love my unit...and happy ownership... and the nice guy /bad guy story....
Banana products have the ability to mature at customers place, that is part of tweaking or competence?

Btw. R2R machines were made in a time where engineers did the thinking, probably that is the reason why they sound so different compared to a lot of Turntables?