Brinkmann vs TW Acustic

Dear Pani,
Regarding your experiences with “timing errors” and PRat? There is another, less obvious, explanation.

If one loudspeaker displays a few db channel imbalance allied to frequency irregularities, e.g. due to the speaker-room relationship, it can not only affect timing but also tunefulness and the ability to follow the musical flow.
Imagine a gradient from "sheer chaos" to "slight confusion" depending on how severe a frequency/amplitude imbalance might be in the average system?

I use electrostatic dipolar speakers and one side of my room is naturally “weak” by a few db or so. I routinely spend the first 15 mins of each session (whether CD or LP) rebalancing and ”tuning” the room’s absorbance to get the “weak” side to match.
Once this happens, the magic flows and order is restored.

So depending on what type of speakers you use and what kind of drive units exist within, with a poorly optimised room I would think it possible one may experience this kind of “disorientation”.
It shows how easily the musical balance can be upset.
It’s a minor inconvenience, but the turntable motor unit and tonearm were NOT the villains. (At least in my case)

Please note that the room is not necessarily symmetrical to achieve balance. No room is capable of absolute symmetry anyway, even if it looks symmetrical. 
Walls/floors/ceilings can be irregular/odd-angled and nothing will ever change that, however much we wish to believe they are perfectly parallel and flat.

Most importantly it’s conceivable that any signal imbalance within source LP/cartridge/electronics/speakers could, perhaps(?), combine to aggravate this situation.
Sadly, it’s not the first answer that springs to mind when we look for explanations.
Kind regards………..

This thread long ago entered what Freud called the narcissism of minor differences, in which the similarities between individuals or social groups foster the exaggeration of tiny distinctions in order to generate or validate uniqueness or superiority. It's rather silly, really, but wars have been fought over it.

similarities between individuals or social groups foster the exaggeration of tiny distinctions in order to generate or validate uniqueness or superiority.

Well said Dr. F and most appropriately quoted, Wrm57. I think all 'philes should paste it on their mirror to read each morning and evening while brushing teeth.

Are you suggesting then that Timeline is more successful with DD than BD?

I think it depends on the Designer. Based on that discussion I remembered an audiophile buddy with a Platine Verdier Turntable. The last time I did visit him I asked about his speed alignment...lots of Verdier owners think about external motors, the kind of string, the material of it, the length, running the motor 24/7/365 and so on....he did nothing :-), except buying a Vibraplane.

Anyway, I made a date for a alignment Party packed some stuff, Digital Gauge, Timeline, Camera, Carts and we started first with listening a record without doing any corrections.. and we also made some cartridge rolling ...

... we found another turntable Design which has a rock solid red dot on the wall and we also were able to hear differences with several carts :-)

Nice photo of the Verdier. My table is also on a Vibraplane. When I add a record clamp as heavy as the Timline, the Vibraplane moves slightly. How does the thread drive on that Verdier react if the table and platter are on the Vibraplane while the motor is stationary on a different platform? Would it not be better to have the motor and platter on the same isolated platform? Does this alter the speed?