Cable Costs Relative to System

TEN YEARS lATER (i posted on this thread ten years ago!)
I have changed everything in my system.
My current two channel system is (money I actually paid) $25,000. for only the stuff of a two channel system. I calculated the additional cost of what i paid for ALL cabling for said system and it is: $2,500. A miracle. 10%. Then i also have power conditioning, and that is an additional 10% of total two channel system I paid. (though the conditioning is also part of the surround/video system)
So I would put the actual cost of ALL cabling of the two channel, plus half the cost of the conditioner, so it is 15% total actual cost over the actual cost of my two channel system.
I use the mainstream stuff. Kimber mostly. and Pangea power cords. The Pangea are a great value by the way. not cheap, but not expensive either, but well received.
The arguments are STILL the same between naysayers of a wire is just a wire, and the folks who say spending kilobucks on wire is the ONLY way to go.
What has happened is the naysayers are just not crabbing at the kilobuck wire folks anymore. They have given up. (probably because they have found it is like yelling at a brick wall, or? because they found out wires make a difference?)
I hope i am in a middle ground. i find wire does make a difference, but Hell if i am gonna pay a lot for that last tiny percentile of effect.
So after ten years ,the story is still the same.
Hope i can pop in another comment in ten more years.

Elizabeth, in 2005 I posted;

To answer the original question, in general I believe you can get the job done pretty good at about 10 percent of system cost, and no higher than 25 percent. Beyond that, I would probably start replacing components or speakers.

I just calculated the retail value of my system at around $50,000, of which the cables are about $4,000, or just about 8 percent. I have gone to DIY mostly made with high quality bulk cable and some of the best connectors available. I also have some DIY made with raw materials but, I generally like the bulk cable variety better. My only remaining manufactured cables are two Isoclean PC's I picked up with an amp purchase. In comparison, I do not believe the DIY cables are at all inferior to some of the better manufactured cables I have tried, by Cardas, Purist, Acoustic Zen, Harmonic Technology, Audioquest and others (no, I haven't tried them all). I still believe the bigger bang for your buck is in the components and speakers, and would allocate maybe 10 to 15 percent for cables, and another 5 to 10 percent for isolation and room treatment. Of course, buying used and DIY can reduce those numbers.

I have a coil of 200ft of a quality Belden Teflon shielded coax (recommended by Jon Risch and a pile of Vampire RCA tiffany style connectors I have yet to put together. (Lucky me i bought the Belden before the big price increase in Teflon products, and the seeming disappearance of 'by the foot' Beldon esoteric products)
Since i am so lazy.. I never made the interconnects. I even have a template I made to hold the RCA and wire to solder with Cardas solder (which i also still have!)
Maybe i should get off my arse and make the cables...
When I was MUCH younger I made some interconnects like 30 years ago with Levinson branded teflon coax and cheap Radio Shack RCAs. (I still have them but not using them)
One thing is making a good power cable can be just as expensive as just buying a readymade one like the $70 cords. (I also made a bunch of powercords with Wattgate and shielded Belden, but the Pangea turned out to be better in my system.)

Cables are different from the rest of the system - they are non-perishable. It doesn't hurt to buy better cables now (if you see great bargain) for the future instead of buying twice - as long as you keep them neutral sounding.

Elizabeth and Mitch2

I don't believe it makes sense or you can put a price relative to the system. There's too big a gap between performance and price, meaning the "best" cables cost a fraction of what the most expensive cables cost.

To Mitch2, as a dealer I did the comparison work between entry level equipment and the upgrade path that gives the best bang for the buck. Working from a starting point equipment upgrades will never make the bang for the buck improvements wire will. You simply do not hear the full potential of what better equipment does until the wire is at a refined state. It's as simple as the fact that you are wasting a lot of money when equipment is focused on before wire. Not only that but with inferior wire your comparison choices on equipment will be altered because of the coloration the wire imparts to the system. Neutrality is the key and there are $150 interconnects that are as neutral as the very best neutral ones are, they just reveal a little less detail.

My common sense proof of when you are done with wire comes when the given cost of a wire upgrade that makes a discernable difference is still under what a better component can do that costs more. Wire comes first then equipment upgrades.

Now that said you have to weed through the plethora of cable to get the best, because the best interconnect I know of that outperforms those costing thousands is a modest $800. There are dozens of $800 cables that mid performers so that is where the rift is between price versus performance. As a dealer I consulted on many mega buck systems that weren't doing what they should even though they had tens of thousands in wire. My wire recommendations that "fixed" the problems were way cheaper than what the person already had.

I'm writing a book on system synergy that explains in a common sense manner what the weak links of a system are and why. The common sense approach allows audiophiles to have a way better understanding of the role wire takes in a system, and which wire is the most important to have the best in.