what digital cables for my dac?


I have a cheap sony player hooked up to a monarchy dip,and into a mccormack Dac-1 with the $400.mod and nordost blue heaven interconnects to my Audio refinement Complete amp and nordost blue heaven speaker wire into my Martin Logan Aerius speakers. Yes I know I need a better and stronger amp,but for now please I need some input on digital wire going from my monarchy to my dac currently I am using $75 Kimber wire,What is good for $200 max,at 1/2meter? Tara,Nordost,kimber,mapleshades,crystalcable? Thanks for the input,Nick
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Mrtennis, I agree, the xstream digital from ps audio was an overlooked gem. I suspect alot of people didn't care for it because of it's extremely revealing character.
The digi-cable from Discovery cable is another standout, but too inexpensive to be taken seriously by some :)
I know the use of a longer length seems counterintuitive to those of us who are used to "shorter is better". Shorter _is_ better, for analog cables.

Go to http://www.empiricalaudio.com. Scroll down to the link "Paper on S/PDIF cable length in PSOnline".

In a nutshell, this paper explains that signals are reflected internally in digital interconnects. Good DAC design can minimize these reflections but this is usually not done. In shorter cables, the reflected signal returns to the output very close to the rising edge of a wave, and confuses the DAC about the timing of the signal. The result is jitter. The longer length allows the reflection to return at a time when it is less likely to be confused with signal. The result is more coherent music.

(I apologize for any inaccuracies which may be found in the very brief summary above.)

You can also refer to Chris Ven Haus' Web site, where he specifies that 1.5 meters is optimum length for digital interconnects, and to UHF Magazine number 74. UHF tested different cable lengths and now do not recommend any length shorter than 1.5 meter.

UHF Magazine

I did my own tests and came to the same conclusion. I used 1-meter and 1.5-meter lengths of 75-ohm Apogee Wyde Eye (still a contender for best at its price point). We listened using my TEAC VRDS T1 and Apogee DA-1000E-20, and also a friend's Theta Universal and Kora Hermes. The results were unquestionably in favour of the longer length.

You could try a test yourself and see.


First of all, let me say that I'm not trying to prove anyone here wrong for believing that 1.5 meters is the 'best' length for digital cables, but I am trying to show that there certainly is not a consensus on the subject. According to Dan Lavry of Lavry Engineering, that Empirical Audio SPDIF article is "nonsense": http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/mv/msg/11678/0//0/
Tplavas, I appreciate the reference to Mr. Lavry's article and I shall certainly follow it up. Thank you.

I would just like to point out that "believing" is not the appropriate word in my case. If I understand the word "belief" correctly, it can be used to refer to something that one has not witnessed with his own senses, but has heard reported.

I do not base my statement that a longer cable may be better on articles that I have read. I made up two cables identical in all but length and listened to them with a friend, on our two systems. That makes just four trials, or two comparisons, in my experience.

With our gear, in our rooms, and with those cables, the difference was very clear, so I can say from experience, not from belief, that in these trials longer was preferable. I recommend that anyone who has not heard such a difference base his or her final conclusion on experience too. I only mention my own to encourage others to try it--not to encourage others to spread the word on something they haven't heard. It has the advantage of being a relatively inexpensive improvement; that is, if it works for you.

I have also heard at least one much better system than my own which nonetheless uses a 1-meter digital interconnect. Perhaps the owner would be happier if he tried a longer cable, I don't know. He is certainly happy now.
Tobias, sorry, I think you're over-thinking my use of the word 'belief'. In this case, it was used in it's broader sense to mean something a person accepts as truth, regardless of source or experience. You believe it because you've experienced it, which is the preferred way IMO. I also believe shorter to be better because I've experienced it. Which really leaves us nowhere, (as usual in this hobby).
I was mainly trying to rebutt the 'technical' support for the longer-is-better argument. Not because I need to be right, but because I want people to trust their ears on a case-by-case basis, and not defer to anyone's 'technical' expertise.
Also, your friend with the 1 meter digital cable could 'swing either way' as it were, and go up or down a 1/2 meter for greater satisfaction.
Who knows? ;)
I have been very happy with Tara labs rsc digital 75,I used kimber before and thus cable is a lot better.