Warm copper speaker cables under $500 new

Cardas says in the FAQs section of his website that the Golden Cross "has a warm, involving character", and Golden Reference is "accurate, resolute, and hides no sins".

The quote from George Cardas can be found in the Cardas FAQs section.

Now, if one accepts Mr. Cardas' statement as a true reflection of his perceptions and not as marketing rhetoric, then Golden Cross and Golden Reference cannot both be neutral cables. In fact, Golden Cross must be more colored than the Golden Reference if the Golden Reference hides no sins, and the Golden Cross does.

Your perception differs from that of the cable's designer. In fact, from your posts in these discussion forums, one can clearly argue that your perceptions regarding Cardas cabling do not coincide with the vast majority of listeners and owners of Cardas wire who have reported in these threads.

Your perception is your own. From that perspective, there can be no debating with you.

Now, undoubtedly you will reply with more philosophy and rhetoric. I really have no interest in that game.

The OP was seeking recommendations for warm cabling, and you have stated that from your perspective there are none. That should be enough.

Second Alpha Core as a good choice. Quite the bargain to boot.

07-24-08: Tvad
Having read your submissions over the years, I believe it's safe to say that
your definition of warm as it applies to audio is off the scale compared to
how most readers would define warm if they heard the same cabling in the
same system.

Well, at least it's better than the usual line "There is no such thing as a warm cable, or bright cable. They do not exist.....". In this aspect I agree that Mrtennis's participation in this thread or other similar ones, is of no value. No offense intended.

Apart from the universally-accepted Cardas being a warm cable, Van den hul also applies.

i read george cardas description of golden cross. there are two points.

he did not say the cable was colored , or not neutral.

he did not define "warm". perhaps the whole problem is my definition of warm as a coloration disagrees with the connotation that others have of the term, and therefore, the reason that i do not observe components to be warm is based upon my definition of warm.

this is not philosophy, this is definition.

i will agree with one point ,namely if i have not experienced any "warm" sounding cables, it is obvious i cannot recommend any. if tvad, that is indeed your point, you are correct.

I had a pair of golden cross 1 meter RCAs for about two weeks. They were anything but warm. I was pairing them with a Musical Fidelity A308 Integrated and a Benchmark DAC, conditioned through Shunyata Taipan Helix cords and Hydra conditioner. The golden crosses were EXTREMELY bright. I then tried a pair of Acoustic Zen Reference II's that did the trick and tamed the upper frequency while providing great resolve. From what I've heard this is opposite of expectations, as the AZs are a silver/copper blend compared to the Cardas all copper design.

In the end, I sold the A308 Integrated and picked up a Sunfire TGA5200 to simplify my setup. Now I realize just how warm (and truly resolving) the Musical Fidelity A308 really was. For solid state I'm not sure I'll find anythign that matches it and I've tried Rotel, Outlaw, Anthem (A5) and now this Sunfire (which I'm leaning keeping as it's holding the compromise well enough between HT and 2 channel).