Looking to get TT


I seeking getting into a first TT and would like help!
My current system is Classe 25 amp, Classe CP-60 pre, Sonic Frontiers SFD-2 D/A, Sonic Fontiers SFT-1 Transprt
and Martin Logan Ascent. My preamp doesn't have phono so I would need phono preamp to hook into my CP-60 so having explained my set and only wanting to spend no mor than $1000 on TT and phono pre can it be done?
Was thinkng going with music hall MMF-5 andCreek OBH-8 as this would be my first TT set up and total cost would be around $700. Is this going to give me many years of good sound? in the future I can go with phono card for my preamp.
jsawhitlock
Rocky, I really think that Francisco has a lot to say and is not afraid to say it. Like you, I do not agree with some of what he espouses, but his viewpoint is the result of much thought and experience. Many audiophiles just parrot the party line on turntable choice and Francisco's opinions offer a genuinely different hirearchy on what is of sonic importance. For the record I own both DD and belt driven tables and recommend both types dependent on listener bias.
Ludicruous? I apologize for saying that vibration gives warmth to the Music Halls. It is actually the particle board, which magically vibrates at room temperature and gives that characteristic & beautiful "warm" sound...

Come on, Roni--use your head and think. Particle board sucks from a sonic standpoint. That's widely known knowledge in these forums. If those plinths were made out of Moca wood the sound would be clear and open. Maybe the molecules in Moca wood move slower!

Viridian, you are totally accurate by stating that my "opinions offer a genuinely different hirearchy on what is of sonic importance."

I want my digital and analog rigs to sound as close to each other as possible. I don't want my analog to sound warm, sluggish and artificially bloated in space. I don't want my digital to sound harsh and sterile either. So, how do I get them closer to each other? The first step is to get proper power delivery/noise control measures--especially for digital. Noise induces jitter in digital equipment, so much it's tragic. It has taken me over two years to conquer electrical noise. It's not easy.

When I went to purchase a new DAC I told Dusty Vawter that I had a modded 1200 and that I wanted it to be in balance with whatever DAC I purchased. After hearing what my analog rig was like (I use Monolithic phono pre), he said his Channel Islands DAC and my creature on steroids would be a great match. Analog does not have the low noise floor, dynamic range and perfect pitch of digital--digital lacks the smoothness, ease of presentation and delicate imaging. How do I make this happen? I need to start with a TT that offers speed and rotational stability plus neutral sound. Since I don't have a cost no object Rockford, I will have to mod and compensate for my TTs weaknesses. In this case, the tonearm and the noise floor. On the digital side, the Channel Islands DAC has a reputation for beign *musical* and very lenient on poorly recorded CDs--especially those from the early 1980's. It is one little gem.

I know what I'm doing and I have a goal...

With psychic power and primal intensity,
Psych, You have responded to THE WRONG post I thought it was obvious even to you, however I will now clarify this matter for you.
These are the Ridiculous statements made on 05-29-03:

Hint: my creature on steroids is neutral sounding...

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OK, some clarifications:

1) I have learned that phono stage is more important than TT. My next step is to send my phono preamp's outboard power supply to cryo treatment.

2) Digital doesn't sound that great because most people have mediocre power delivery/noise control measures. I have conquered noise in my system and digital is really something to be enjoyed. Analog is not superior in all respects. My goal is to keep analog and digital in balance...

3) Use digital as your reference for PRAT. Otherwise, you'll be prone to fall for a "magic" sound that has nothing to do with reality, especially with some moving coil designs. I find my modded Groovemaster MM cartridge more musically accurate than my Ortofon X5 MC.

4) My choice of TT is being marketed not to audiophiles, but to libraries and radio stations as a *transcription* TT. It is an accurate tool, not a spatial enhancer...
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But I do agree with this statement.
Viridian, you are totally accurate by stating that my "opinions offer a genuinely different hierarchy on what is of sonic,importance. Psychicanimal

If your opinions are different from what is sonicly, important. Why do you make them here as if they have some sonic importance?

After reading all of the above statements one can only conclude that you have never lived with a revealing Analog front-end, or you would not have these opinions.

Psych I am glad you listen to lp's, this is a good thing.
Now for the important question, how many Vertigo swirls do you have, and do you want to sell any.
Thanks
Ron
I finally read what you meant. You need to prove me wrong. Just pasting what I posted and declaring it ridiculous doesn't cut it. I can advance that I learned #1 from Dejan V. Veselinovic, one of Europe's most knowledgeable audio writers http://www.zero-distortion.com.

Question: "If your opinions are different from what is sonicly, important. Why do you make them here as if they have some sonic importance?"

What is different, in Viridian's words (and I totally agree) is the *hierarchy* of what is important, not whether something is important or not. Pecking order, in nautical English.

Quote: "After reading all of the above statements one can only conclude that you have never lived with a revealing Analog front-end, or you would not have these opinions."

Define revealling, please. Also, it is proper to use the first person, please ( "I"...can only conclude).

The person who started me on high end is a friend of our family and he always taught me (since I was 15) that what was important in a high end system was "resolution". As I learned more and more I found out that statement was erroneous. A high end system should be *musical*. Now I'm 40 and my system must be clean, musical and intimate (that's why the list price of my noise control rig is more than that of my audio gear--about $8K). This man always drooled cause I was "connected" to the music world and ALWAYS had the kick ass LPs. His Sota vacuum TT and flavor of the month arm and low output MC could pick up defects in my pressings, and that what he was actively listening for (he had downgraded from a Technics SP10, BTW). My cousin told me last year that he finally admitted to him he'd spent all these past 40 years listening to equipment. If he heard my rig he'd have a heart attack! When I took my little, $315/pr Yamaha NS-10M Studio and squared them against his $6K B&W 801's he almost had a heart attack! Oh, Mr. Klyne and Krell were doing the pre amp & power stages...and $100 a foot speaker wire feeding the juice.

Quote: "Now for the important question, how many Vertigo swirls do you have, and do you want to sell any."

I do not understand what you mean.

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