I'm in agreement with Zorpman. I have a 12' run in my second system and they have bettered all the zip-types,plus a few name brands I won't mention. The derogatory comment in the cable asylum was mentioned, I believe, by the infamous J. Risch, of DIY cable fame.He stated( in so many words) that the Canare was not much better than zip cord.I am in the process of evaluating one of Mr. Risch's famous designs and will compare the two. It is sad that a lot of "garage-type" cable sellers will take the Canare 4s11 cables and dress them up a bit and sell them for double or more of what you can get them for from a distributor, but even then, I still feel that they are a good bargain. For the price, it is worth an evaluation.Even if they don't meet your listening requirements, you won't have to take a great loss. It is a large guage cable, so make sure you know what you are doing if you DIY some connectors on them. Have some fun and enjoy.