Biwired Speakers - silver for high, copper for low


Had the Nordost SPM for many years - needed a WAF thin cable that I can run under the rug. Have recently changed my speaker placement - can now use other cables (within WAF limits - no ugly fat black snakes).

Have tried numerous cables to replace the SPM. Am looking for more body. Found in general, silver cables give more extended high, greater transparency, even delicacy (if well executed) but never quite enough body or bass weight. On the other hand, high purity copper seems great for warmth and body, but you lose some transparency and detail.

So have tried Ridge Street Poiema (silver) for high and home brewed cryoed high purity OFC for bass. On teh whole seems to work well, but have some nagging doubt with integration. I swear I hear something that is not supposed to be there. May be phase shift issue ??

Was contemplating Omega Mikro or other more exotic ones. Any other ideas ?

Thanks
gilas
You might consider trying the new Flexygy 6 cables from River Cable. They are flat like Nordost for WAF and have a nice, neutral sound with good body. They offer a 30 day money-back guarantee, so you have nothing to lose.Plus their price is very reasonable and affordable. Their website is www.rivercable.com Just click on the Flexy logo. You can order directly from their site. Good luck.
I would temporaily switch out the Poemia and put it on the bottom. You may be surprised with the bass capabilities. Then if you like it , just get another pair of Poemia's.
I originally was kind of thinking like you and was going to use AZ Sen Satoris on the bottom and Poeima's on the top.
I now have bi wired Poeima's {shotgun} and Im very pleased with the results. I cant swear to it , but I beleive the sound is quicker on The Silver Poeima's, which may explain why you are hearing a phase shift.
Thanks for your response guys.

La Fashionista is not that bad. She complains about the monsterous Shunyata and Electraglide power cords, I hide my credit card bills well. All's fair ;-)

Once in a blue moon, I get a remark along the lines "this sounds good, what did you do ?" Most times, I am allowed a free run. I can't however have extreme stuff because of two highly intelligent and extremely inquisitive juvenille life form.

Listener and Sherod, thanks - I will look up your suggestions.

Darryl, I have tried the Poiemas on the bass. Doesn't do it for me some how ?? I have spoken to Mnh and Robert @ RSA, for some reason the Poiema has not sung for me yet. Don't get me wrong, The Poiema is great sounding, I thought the delicate portrayal is to die for (as far as refinement goes). However, I do like a bit of the rougher (dynamic) side as well. My Poiema so far has not revealed that side. I don't think it is my source or pre-power. I will try again after a few days - it may simply be a question of extended setlling in.

Tom
Hi Tom, you should consider several factors in your cable search. First, you have not posted your system. If you do, chances are better you will get some more specific recommendations from those who have the same speakers and components. Second, you should consider where the speaker crosses over. The designer of your speakers was sure to consider the tonal balance between HF and LF if a bi-wire option was provided. If the LF is simply a "subwoofer" in that it operates at a very low frequency (e.g., lower than around 100-200 hz) then the differences in cables will be less important. However if the crossover is up in the lower midrange area, you are likely to muck up the tonal balance by using different cables, especially ones as different sounding as silver and copper. My general suggestion is to find a cable you like and use two runs. Some manufacturers make a lighter gauge cable of the same materials, with the same sonic qualities, that you could use for the HF while using a larger awg cable of the same make for the LF. You could consider internal bi-wire from someone like Cardas, which tends to throw a lot of copper into their higher end wires. If on a budget, the Jon Risch CC89259 diy cables are quite neutral and would offer that dynamic sound you are looking for. You could even go with the "quad" version for your LF if you wanted that last bit of bass. You could also consider trying different options from The Cable Co. Good luck. - Tim
Hi Tim, You raised valid points, esp mucking up the speaker's radically tonal balance by using different cables.

I did post my system, but I don't think I have "popular" amp or speaker. Any way, here goes the material parts :

power amp: Chord 1200B
solid state A-B, 250Wpc, very dynamic and transparent, neutral, not warm. Don't think the problem lies here.

speakers : Wilson Benesch Discovery
2.5 way carbon fibre integral stand mounted monitor
2 x 7" isobaric downward firing bass drivers, 1 x 7" mid range unit, 1 x 1" soft dome silk tweeter
crossover freq : Bass 500Hz , Mid & Tweeter 5kHz
1st order bass roll-off, 1st order mid range crossover, 2nd order tweeter crossover
polypropylene capacitors and air cored inductors in X-over.
bi-wireable, internal multi-stranded silver plated copper wiring.

I used Nordost SPM, it was OK but lean in the bass. I have tried Valhalla, it was much better but too much money. The Poiema gives a more refined presentation but lacks (so far IMS) energy and dynamics. A friend's home brew cryoed copper was surprisingly good and very musical, but not as transparent or detailed as any of the above cables. Have tried Cardas, didn't like it.

That leaves the Omega Mikro (unthinkable from a practical point of view), the Pure Note Cerulean, or others that I am not aware of.

Thanks,

Tom