Flattening warped lp's with Seal dry mount press


I've been meaning for some time to try a test flattening warped lp's with my Seal dry mount press. A recent purchase of two warped White Stripes lp's & the recent tread that Albert Porter & others have had about the topic prompted me to start an experiment. For the first test, I placed a warped 70's Columbia pressing in the press between a 1/2" tempered glass plate and a 1/4" thick acrylic plastic plate, setting the thermostat at 165F. I did not pull the press handle to clamp, I just let the weight of the heating platten do the work as things softened. After an hour, the vinyl was quite flat and I let it cool down for the afternoon. While it looked excellent at first glance, there are problems. There is radial runout now, about 1/8" or so. Even worse, there are small hills and valleys in the vinyl surface that set my Grado Sonata wiggling and shaking. Evidently, the heating, pressing, and cooling process is creating stresses that leave things less than perfectly circular and flat. Next, I'll experiment with less heat and longer thermal heating and cooling cycles to see if stresses can be relieved to achieve better results. At this point though, I don't think I'd run out and buy a dry mount press hoping this to be an easy fix. It's going to take some experimentation to see if this will work. I'll post results as I work through the variables.
photon46
Interesting -- I suggest you do not use the acrylic, but rather two glass pieces (and 3/8" thick should be adequate since the glass is fully supported and you are only applying the weight of the platen. Lower heat would be good too as someone else suggested.

My reason for nixing the acrylic is that it has a large coefficient of expansion, and so as it heats and exoands, it may be carrying the record with it and giving you the radial runout. Then, as it (the acrylic) cools and contracts, it's trying to "scrunch" the record up, giving you all those nasty lumps and bumps. Just a thought.
Photon46, your efforts are promising.

If the Seal press works for you, I may copy your efforts so I can flatten out those few warped LP's in my collection that are otherwise perfect.

It's likely that you must hit the exact heat and cool ratio to achieve success (as suggested by other posts here).

You might even test your Seal with an oven thermometer to determine the exact temperature. That would verify the control on the Seal has not gone off the mark over time.
Interesting concept. I know a fair bit about dry mounting but don't know if any of the same information may apply to flattening LPs. With boards and paper it is always good to use a heavy, flat steel plate immediately upon removing the hot board from the press. This allows the heat to dissapate more evenly and quickly while continuing to be under the pressure of a heavy plate. Without the plate If the hot board cools too quickly and or unevenly it will tend to curve. Also, I'm not sure if they are still available, but Seal used to produce "temperature indicator strips" to quickly and conveniently gauge the temp of the press. These were made at with two colored 'buttons' of some plastic-like material. Each color melted at a specific temperature. They were made for to accomodate the more specialized low-temperature mediums for dry-mounting which would make a mess at higher temperatures. I can't recall the temps they'd indicate. My best recollection is 120 and 160 degrees. It was in the lower range for sure. There is also "release paper" which is a heat-resistant paper with a thick glossy coating of some sort that does not stick to dry-mount medium. It is is non-reactive at high temperatures. It is made to be put between the metal platen and the materials being mounted. You can also do this with a piece of white mounting board since you are not using the messy mounting material. But do check each time you use it that no loose dirt or debris gets embedded in that cardboard or you may be pressing it into the grooves of your LP. The Release paper is very resistant to holding any dirt since it has a somewhat glossy coating to it. I'd imagine that a softer buffer, like the cardboard, and or release paper, between the warped LP and the hard steel platen might be safer for the grooves. Keep it clean though!

Neat idea...good luck!

Marco
As an addendum to my post, here is one source for some of the dry mounting supplies I mentioned. They don't seem to have the temp indicator strips, but I like Albert's idea better anyway.

The presses themselves can be had on eBay at any given time for much less than new. I own two of them and the smaller, older one is ideally sized for an LP. If this thing turns out to work well for LPs I'll sell it to whoever may be interested for a good price. I no longer have a record collection so it won't serve me in this respect. Keep in mind, in seeking one out, they are a bit heavy to ship, so a local purchase is best. I think the smaller one I have must weigh about 40 lbs.

Marco
My Seal press had a dial thermometer (very accurate I might
add) built into the top platen and the heat was thermostaticaly controlled at any setting. Perhaps this was only on the larger models?