Upcoming universal player releases any new info?

711, who is trashing modded gear, certainly not I,but this thread is about stock universal players.

I just happen to have compared a couple of modded players to the Onkyo sp 1000.
After owning three Denons...all whith problems, I would not even consider having one modded by anyone.
So if I were to have any universal modded, it would be the sp 1000 which sounds very musical out of the box, and has superior video to boot.

The Denons just sound too digital and bright out of the box so why mod a player thats inferior in build, audio and video in the first place over one thats got a great company track record for dependibility, and finally built a great universal?

One of the reasons you see Denons being modded so much is that there is a lot of room in the case on a 2900/3910 which makes it easier to mod.

BTW... my Sim Audio gear is modded for two channel use, and so is my H/T set up.

Greg

Ears, I've been following the discourse between 711milin and Avguru over several threads. The basis of 711Smilin's comment bypasses the question of whether the Denon should or shouldn't be modded. 11Smilin has offered Avguru the opportunity to personally listen to two SOTA modded 3910 machines in Avguru's own home. Ignoring the argument about whether a Denon should or shouldn't be modded, wouldn't it make logical sense to HEAR the machines...even if it's just out of curiosity about how they sound? I mean holy crow, one can argue the validity of modding all day and all night, but the lip flap doesn't amount to anything if one isn't first willing to LISTEN!

That's all 711Smilin is doing...offering an opportunity to hear the machines. Only after someone has heard the machines can they effectively debate the pluses and minuses of the mods.

Would you want an attorney to defend you in court if he had only read the facts of your case, but had never personally interviewed you? Of course not. This is the same thing.

Hey Avguru, take 711Smilin up on his offer. Listen to the machines. Then, if you want to continue to argue that they're not worthy, at least you're point of view will be based on some real world experience.

Kumbaya, dudes. Kumbaya.

Guys, my opinion is this, once we buy ANY machine retail, or discounted. My feeling is that I have bought something that has been compromised to fit into mass production. I feel any machine can, and would be made far better with replacing, adding, taking away, modding the existing platform. This is being done by MANY highly qualified engineers, mechanics, rocket scientists, ect. I am not saying that John, or Alex are the only ones to use. My real feeling is that thier is a 5-10 time mark-up over cost, to arrive at retail. Compromises MUST be made. Tweaking, modding enhances the sound, for better, or worse. I feel that when I buy a DV-50, per se, that if I sent it to Tube Research to have it modded, it would come back far superior to what I sent out. Now, how much do I want to spend, and lose if I decide to sell. I chose the Denon after comparing in my home to the AA Capitole II, DV-50, in my home, MF Tri-Vista, in my home, Sony XA777ES in my home, and the Shanling T200C. I felt in redbook the Exemplar 2900 was superior, and more listenable. For SACD the APL 1000 was leaps and bounds ahead. In my research I decided that the Denon, modded would most probably benefit most from the mods, and the cost was RELATIVELY cheap compared to the AA, Esoteric, MF, ect.

This has proven itself true in my experience, for now, the APL redbook has improved into the Exemplar realm, and the Exemplar SACD has improved into the APL realm. Which is better. This is hard to say, yet, as they are both still burning in. Both are greatly improveed over the previous generation. These machines are well priced, and bang for the buck just a STEAL. The Video is enhanced by the new power supplies, and re-clocking, not to mention the new wiring, caps, ect. If I spent thousands on modding the DV-50, AA, or MF, I would loose more than the cost of my machine when resold. I have in fact listened to the newest Meitner gear, but, not in my home. They would not allow me to take them home for trial, they are only by special order. Could I afford it, YES. But, I felt it was too strerile for me personnaly. Yes, it gives everything to me but, does not draw me inn. I prefer toe-tapping, engaging digital, reminding me of vinyl, 3 dimensional MUSIC which touches me, and makes me want to stand up and dance. I could go on, and on, but, now i will enjoy my MUSIC. Enjoy your journey, my friends. I was just trying to help you reach your enjoyment, quicker, easier, with more $$$$ in your pocket for music. I have spent 5 grand buying all my old music from the 60's, 70's early 80's in the last 90 days. Oh, yeah, even some more recent stuff. Enjoy the journey, my friends.

Lanny,
The sp 1000 has that "no buyers remorse" thing going for it from everyone I have seen that posts there opinion for both audio and video.

I would go as far as to say that at this price, and probably a bit more, its as close to perfect as your going to get.

I have never heard the xa 777es, but did hear the previous 777 model.
There was another audiophool at the asylum who compared the sp 1000 to his Marantz sa-14 and preffered the Onkyo right out of the box.
For a 2k universal to have the best one box video available, and be preffered to two different 2-3k audio only players is saying something.

Greg

I'm confused as to why the Onkyo sp 1000 is so much better in the video department than the Denon 2900 when they both use the Silicon Image 504 chip to process video?
As for audio, it should sound better considering its twice the price of the Denon - at least in my opinion.