Joseph Audio Speakers never show up used


Why do Joseph Audio speakers so rarely show up used? Do they sell a small number of speakers? (not many dealers?) Or, do owners love them and keep them forever?

I have found myself voting the "Joseph Audio room" in my top 3 at the last several Stereophile shows - and the Pearl speaker sounded fantastic at this most recent show in May. I've been toying with picking up a used RM33i (mini-pearl). I do wonder about their need for substantial power........

Anyway, let's hear from owners or prospective owners, or you if you have an opinion: why do these speakers so rarely show up on Audiogon?

Art
artmaltman
Art,
In all my logical sence RM33i have relatively large woofer and their sound "bags" a designer to re-design them in order to be a)biwired and b)to have different crossover.

Having thrown into these speakers 350W/ch the bass is uncontrolled and undefined. Mids are harsh. The only good thing i heard is ts..ts..ts..tssss..ts..ts..tssss... that bossa-nova rythm (Ben Webster/Joe Zawinul); but it's not the music to test a full range speaker -- give them some punch with large orchestra or rock and they're literally knocked down... Give'em only quiet acoustic bass, ts..ts.., snare drum with broomes and wispering Ben Webster's sax.
I would rate them in audiorevew rating scale as only one star * on both value and performance.

I've never heard RM22sig but in this case as far as i know there are not too many dealers selling Joseph audio which gives me also guess why...

I went to audition Joseph Pearl on NYH because i realy admire Manley electronics that were back end to these speakers: Manley SteelHead, Manley Shrimp, and Manley Reference 250.
Art,
I am a relative new comer to high end audio, but got interested in it after trying a pair of Joseph Rm-7si sigs as fronts for HT(Onkyo a/v rec. then adding Classe amplification, using the Onkyo as pre/pro). I quickly replaced these with a pair of his Cinergy 5.1's as fronts. I sold one Cinergy here on A'gon (in about 15 minutes) tried Meadowlark Shearwater HR as front's, but they did'nt match well with my other speakers(Joseph & JBL pros). I got a pair of Joseph Rm-50's and Jeff Joseph updated them with his Pearl system crossovers.
You are right, I will not be selling these speakers. I have seen a few Josephs for sale and I am always tempted to buy them when I see them, but there are other things I need (tube pre and another amp or intergrated)to finish my system.
As far as power I am only using 75wpc (I'm sure more will be better)for now and they are doing the job.
Just my 2 cents.
Allen
Artmaltman, you could be right about the Classe. I have since listened to Revel M-20 with Classe and then Revel F30 and F50 in another store. Similar ringing and harmonically wrong sound as I heard with the Josephs.
So it could be at least partially the Classe's fault. Maybe Classe just does not match up well with metal driver speakers. Thinking back I did hear the Josephs with Arcam and sound was pretty good other than lack of bass and dynamics.
why would jeff demo RM33is with classe 350??
did he deliberately want his speakers to sound wierd??
please clarify..