Revel vs. Aerial vs. B&W

Stehno: Sure, its a garentee that Worldcat bought speakers and gear without truely auditioning them to begin with or even having and makes obvious comments that point towards that, and Craig doesnt keep any stock on hand for auditioning either. Worldcat basically bought what Craig has acess to(Theta,Cardas,Aerial are his main brands that he pushes)without actually ever even hearing how the gear sounds together first. Even Worldcats own statments show the fact that what he may have heard was done with completely foreign equipment with unknown room accoustics. Most true "audiophiles" I know of at least listen to gear in their own environment with their own equipment to see how the gear interacts with each other. When I picked up my Salons from Craig, I did so already having many Revel products on loan at one time or another and knew exactly what I wanted. My biggest question was whether or not I should blow my budget on a pair of stand alone Revel Salon's or a pair of Revel Studio's with a pair of B15 subs. As for speaker markup. I could very easily dig up some old dealer cost sheets from companies like Wilson Audio,Revel,Aerial,Vandersteen,ML etc scan them into my computer and post them here on Agon, but I would piss off alot of people up here in the NE area from which I still have alot of great contacts. Im not willing to jeopardize that and step on people's toes currently.

This thread was dead for over a month, so why are these responses poping up now Craig? You know Ive recommended alot of folks towards you. You treated me right, if you have common customers who want to debate or whatnot let em. Its not something important enough to make comments that you feel needed to be justified in all reality.

Anyway, Merry Xmas

Ritteri you don't really know what your talking about! You have some head problem!

I guess ARagon makes the best amps too!!

Just what we need, A fight over who's speakers are better..

Stop this nonsense..

Worldcat, Please don't make remarks to Ritteri and Vice Versa.. You guys both own incredible fantastic gear and who really cares if one sounds 5-10% better than the other. That would of course be up to the ears that were listening.

Ritteri, What I was concerned about was your comments about 60% discounts and when you were selling. Please elaborate or just let everyone know that you were playing around. I would not want the people of these forums to think that there are margins that don't exist. It makes it harder for dealers to Survive.

Thanks very much and everyone have a great holiday..

Craig
732-616-1010

Craig: Margins from 40-60 points is real world markup in this industry you and me both know it. Electronics range in the 40-45 point range.Speakers and cabling in the 45-65 point range. One example is Wadia. Average dealer markup is 40 points with them. Might as well give a few more example's. Later on Ill break out all my old dealer price sheets(which I just came across from cleaining out my attic) from 96'-01' and start scanning them into the computer since people here cant take a hint.......

Revel: Average dealer markup is 50 points, select dealers that carry other Madrigal products have even higher markup margin. Revel cranked up their "suggested retail pricing" but did so while minimizing dealer cost increase. In fact some dealers didnt even incur a cost increase on their part.

Transparant cable: 55-65 point markup

B&K 40 points

Sony:35-60 points depending on how many millions of units you sell of theirs and the ability to show the sales reps where the best escort services are located.

Phoenix Gold cabling: 55-65 point markup

MIT: 45 point markup

Rotel: 40 point markup.

Wilson Audio: Range from 50-60 points depending on sales volume and how much ass kissing you can accomplish with their sales reps.

Adcom: 40 point markup

Parasound: 40 point markup

Paradigm: 50-60 point markup volume dependant.

B&W: 50 point markup

Worldcat: At least I can honestly say that I physically "heard" the speaker I bought before I stated my opinion on its sound Q ability. Thats something you cant do. And at least 2 people here know that to be a fact.