I had each incarnation of the Martin-Logan CLSes, with, and w/o subwoofers for many years, and loved them until the day they departed. In fact, I still love the sound of Quads, Logans, Soundlabs, Innersounds, and ETs when I have the occasion to hear them. I found, however, that I prefer listening to a few of the newest generation of box speakers because they have much of the inner detail, delicacy, and immediacy of panels, and a dynamic linearity that panels lack. I, apparently, am very sensitive to this. I have not missed the Logans at all.