Dartzeel amp lives up to hype

Jtinn,

I don't know ANY of the details reguarding the amp I listened too. But based on the brief conversation I had with its owner, I think the repairs were an attempt to make this DartZeel actually become dependable not be a sonic upgrade.

As for its operation issues read the reviews: Sterophile or Hi-Fi News. For me persoally products in this price range need to operate better to get my money.

Just for the record I not looking to start a debate, I have no vested interst in this product.

The pre does come with a remote.

Dlanselm: Yes, if we are talking about the same owner, he treated the amplifiers with a product I had forewarned him about. It has destroyed a few systems that I am a ware of. Definitely not a problem with the amplifier.

John Atkinson, during his test acknowledged that the Stereophile "Amp and Component of the Year", blew a fuse when he had no load and exceeded the limits of the amplifier. The fuses did their job. It wans not until he mistakenly put the wrong value fuse in that the amplifier was damaged. Please re-read his tests, he absolutely loved the amplifier.

Also, I think Hi-Fi+ gave it amplifier of the year as well.

Elberoth2: The fact that your friend is in Europe does not change anything. There have only been three preamplifiers shipped and I assure you none was to your friend. I am sorry if you recieved bad information. You should give a listen for yourself, if you have the opportunity. The sound is like nothing else I have ever heard.

All the best!

Jonathan, were Andy's (Hooper/Quint) amps "treated with an aftermarket product", since according to some recent posts of his on AA both had problems and he switched to other amps? What do you mean by "treated"? Are you referring to some kind of non-approved line conditioning used? Or are you saying such amps were internally modified? Has a notice been included with all amplifiers shipped, to the effect of warranty being voided by doing so?

According to your post the Dartzeel preamp has not yet shipped, yet you showed it at RMAF and at CES with the Dartzeel amps, and privately at last January's show. So quite a few people have heard it in a couple of settings.

first, there was only one pre-production dart preamp in the western hemisphere from October 05' to late December 05'. which was at jtinn's, RMAF, and then in my room. it went no-where else. there were 2 pre-production units in Europe during that time. none of these units were 'sold' to anyone (and have not yet been upgraded to production unit status and have not yet been sold).

the first actual production unit was sent to CES 2006, then went from there to jtinn and shortly thereafter ended up in my room; where it resides. the next 2 production units were shipped to jtinn and recieved a few days ago......and that is all that have been shipped so far.

sooooooo, no one has 'owned' a dart preamp to sell as of this moment.....here or anywhere else.

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" you are a second person to report less than stellar performance from Dartzeel amp. I was considering this amp too, but I have heard form one of the most credible audiogon users that his close friend wasn't impressed at all by dart combo. He uses same speakers as I do - Avalon Eidolon Vision - and much preffered both ARC Ref2/VTM200 combination (which he sold to get the dart) and the VTL7.5/S400 combo he bought AFTER selling the dart combo (pre + power).

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Elberoth2; i would appreciate more info on your 'friend of friends' experience with the dart pre. my mind is open to the possibility that my info above is faulty. although after spending hours with Herve at CES and many e-mails back and forth over the last couple of months (while beta-testing the pre-production dart pre) i think i'm quite clear on the production status of the various dart preamps.

the whole issue of fragility of the dart amps is simply a lack of understanding of the circut design. i have had 5 different darTZeel amps in my room over the last year. i have had zero problems with any of them and used them in a variety of configuarations. OTOH i have blown fuses multiple times which are easily and quickly replaced. the fuses blow to protect the other circuts. if the amp is quickly turned on and off the fuse will blow. turning on the amp without a load will blow fuses. DC output from the early preproduction dart pre would blow the fuse. this is the design of the amp......and part of the utter refinement of it's sound.

since i have recieved the production model preamp i have not blown any fuses. i never blew a fuse when using my Placette or the DCC2. only when my power has flickered on and off or when i was using the pre-production dart pre in battery mode did i ever blow a fuse.

Andy (Hooper/Quint) was using a 'treatment' that had caused serious issues with other amps. whether this product caused the problems with his amps or not has not been clearly established. as this was a non warranty repair; Andy choose a local repair person to 'fix' the amps. since 'darTZeel' did not repair these amps they don't exactly know what happened or whether the repairs were complete.

any products used on any amps without manufacturers specific approval would not be covered under warranty (Honda would not repair it either under their warranty). in this particular case Andy was specifically warned not to use this particular product ahead of time (as was I) and it appears he used it anyway.

i personally know 15 to 20 darTZeel owners that have all had zero issues with dart amps......like many cutting edge products there are certain guidelines to follow; which when respected result in trouble-free use.

none of the above info would matter if not for the amazing performance of the dart preamp particularly when mated with the dart amp. i have had many visitors to my room to hear these marvels......all have been captivated by them.