Outstanding, Albert. Thank you.
Of the four Telefunken varieties, which are your tubes of choice?
Jafox?
Of the four Telefunken varieties, which are your tubes of choice?
Jafox?
Tube Characterization: 6DJ8, 6922, 7308 Part II
My advice if you are tube rolling is to be careful about documenting what you are doing, and make sure you can return tubes that you buy from NOS/antique dealers! *Above all* remember that you are supposed to be having fun and don't go off the deep end. Its not prettyTo this end I have decided to cool my jets a little and take a more moderate approach.
If you are dealing with the best of the best in all tube types you will find them all very close.and also adds that the 6SN7 series of tube is iherently better than the 6DJ8 series and to me supports the idea of just changing preamps. By the way Raymond Chowkwanyun of enjoythemusic does a capsule review of this tube type: http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0304/6sn7.htm
I use the ECC88, the 6DJ8 variety with common steel pins (not gold) pins. The E88CC is a true 6922 and I frequently find these gold pin versions (although classier looking) to be harder sounding, grainer and slightly more compressed. Here is a link to a site in Italy with images of the E88CC Telefunken and the ECC88 Telefunken. http://spazioinwind.libero.it/themagicsound/_private/le_valv_telefunken_eng.htm Here's a good shot of the Telefunkens with white bulk pack boxes in background from WiWi in Hong Kong. I just bought Telefunken 6463's and Mullard M8162 (CV-4024) from him. http://www.wiwitubes.com/pic/tube/TFKecc88.jpg Hope that helps. |
Tvad: Interesting as I only have experience with the same exact tube, the single-ring getter, Albert has noted. I have a variety of Mullard gold and steel pins but only steel Teles here so I have no experience with the gold vs. steel Tele. I bought 6 pairs of the Tele 6DJ8 expecting to put 2 pairs in the Callisto, one pair in the Io, one pair in the Manley DAC and then a pair for the CAT amps....with one spare for "unfortunate" events. And then right after ordering these I remembered the Manley used a pair of 12ax7s instead so this left me two spare pairs. And then upon trying two pairs in the Callisto, I found I liked one pair of Teles and one pair of the Mullards here. This could change upon some cable updates soon to occur, but for now, I like the one pair of each. So this resulted in 3 spare pairs. If I only had one pair of these, it is very easy to know where they would go: the Io. But while I wait for my CAT amps to return, I use this pair in the Counterpoint NPS400 amp and was quite shocked at where this tube took the amp. I suspect few people have heard this amp perform to this level. It continues to outperform so much I have heard for far more cost. What a great backup amp. And it does not even flinch with the SoundLabs .... and it loved the Maggie 3.5s too. When I took a pair of these Teles to a friend's home and we dropped them in his Calypso, once again, they brought on the midrange magic without negatively affecting the frequency extremes. He was using a UK tube here but not a Mullard if I recall. After hearing the improvement here, I left them with him as I owe him a ton for all he has done to help me refine my system this last year. So I still have the two spare pairs. I can ship a pair for you to play but I would like them back in a month or two unless you can not find a pair yourself. And then we can wrestle on an agreement here. John |
Quote from Joe's Tube Lore: Telefunken 6922 / E88CC (with shield, diamond bottom, gold pins) Slightly hollow mids, not as rich as the best Siemens and Amperex. A bit like the Siemens E288CC, though a bit better than that tube. A good tube, but the more common & cheaper Siemens 6922s are much better choices IMO. (Absolutely pounds the Russian tubes, though!) |
All due respect to Joe, his observations were made in his system, as far as I know, and every system is different. He also prefers Amperex over all other 6DJ8/6922, but I do not agree. Thus far, I prefer Mullard to Amperex for the warmer mids...and I prefer Siemens CCa to Amperex for the smoother and less etched highs. Other Siemens are not so high on my list. So since my experience is not entirely in agreement with Joe, Teles are worth hearing, IMO. |