SET amps and speaker sensitivity.


Hi there. Just for the aspect of learning and future knowledge, can a host of folks explain how to match SET amps like for example, the Lamm ML2.1's to speaker sensitivity.

We can even get away from the Lamms, really any SET amp. How do you match those to speaker sensitivity and what is the relationship between the two? What dB level is considered "sensitive."

Just curious and always wanting to learn!

Cheers,
Peter
mariasplunge
Through my experience, I would not match a typical low powered SET amplifier with any speaker less than 100+ db sensitivity. While the amps may drive the speakers, they most likely will not drive them as the speaker manufacturer intended. You may hear wonderful midrange, but bass and dynamics will suffer greatly.

Please also take into consideration room size. If you are in a very small room, you might be able to go with a little less sensitive speaker.
Most importantly is to select a speaker that has a benign impedance curve across the frequency range. This is true for any tube amplifier, not just SET amps.

Then depending on the rated output of an amp, you can look at the sensitivity number of the speaker. I use speaker with an 88db per meter sensitivity on a 12wpc rated amp. Most folks will recommend a slightly higher output amp, but I find it more than adequate.

Note, if your speaker does not have a benign impedance curve, no tube amplifier will drive them properly. Amplifier watts will not mask a bad speaker choice.

Regards
Paul
Suggest you go to Musical Fidelity's web site and read up on the subject. They have an outstanding article explaining how much power you really need to drive different speakers.
Read "Some Insight into Proper Speaker Selection" on Welbourne Labs website. See:http://www.welbornelabs.com/recomendspeaks.htm. You have to scroll down a bit to see it.
There is no hard and fast "right answer" but there are common guidelines. As swampwalker suggested, space/volume will have an effect. Speaker impedance (and how it varies by frequency) could also play a very strong role. Second, not all amps of X watts are created equally (power supplies may affect amp response to speaker load).

That said, I find the article to which Kehut refers above to be at best oversimplified and misleading, because I have think most speakers with 2x that sensitivity (87db/6ohms) would present trouble with the amp being reviewed with music which had real "needs" (Holst Planets' Saturn, Reger organ music, and the list could obviously go on). 845s are supposed to have more oomph at the low end than other SETs but my personal experience with SETS and relatively efficient speakers (96db on the bass, far more on the mids/tweets) is that one needs to test even higher-efficiency woofers with more power than recommended to see if one is getting the best out of the speaker. My experience with 96db woofers and 13 watts (despite a power supply I rate quite highly) suggested that to get real clarity out of the bass (and bass that goes deep with clarity makes the the rest of the spectrum stand out that much more - positively shiver-inducing in my book) I needed probably double or quadruple that at times. 100% of the time while listening to Mozart chamber music I would be fine. And even most of the time on orchestral music I would be fine, but when push comes to shove comes to tympanies pounding, cymbals crashing, and the organ in the background grinding out the low notes, I needed more oomph.

Of course, that and a dollar will get you a dollar cup of coffee.