Rich; organic true balanced amp w good detail $6k


Suggestions welcomed & appreciated- here are the Criteria:

- fully balanced architecture
- rich, organic sound, extended bass, silky highs, but not at the expense of obscuring detail
- No OTL (too many tubes/heat)
- SS (Class A bias) or tubes OK
- 20-200 wpc ok, the lower the better though all things being equal- well built power supply crucial
- stereo amp easier to put on my Sistrum rack, but mono-bock architecture also considered if better performance
- $6k or less used would be ideal, but would consider up to $8k used if there are no world-beating contenders at the $5k-$6k used price point

Preamp is a modded Sonic Frontiers Line 3- extremely neutral, hence the desire for a richer-sounding amp to balance. High efficiency speakers from Coincident- large open concept room (main floor of house). Re: tubes, have used ARC VT-100 MKIII- good- airy w big soundstage, but meatier mids would be better. Also had Wyetech Topaz 20-watt SET, superb, if slightly lean in the mids (and not fully balanced, but shows you how powerful 20 watts can sound with a well-built power supply) For SS, am considering Pass XA.5 series (they now can run balanced from what I understand?); Clayton Audio M-200 (but unfortunately over the price-range).

Thanks in advance for any suggestions- I have an open mind, so bring it on!
sutts
The Lamm's are not a truely balanced design because Vlad doesn't believe it is necessary for consumer requirement as he can achieve the low noise with his single ended design. If you read his manuals, or an interview with him he will state this.

Drive and hear your friends Lamm's, and bring your preamp to make sure it can work with their high impendence.. You might end up with not enough volume increments because of the amp sensitivity. (I went through 3 preamps before finding one that worked correclyt.. Rowland Synergy IIi and my Theta Gen VIII worked fine)
Man I hate writing long replies and having the computer crap out on me...

Condensed version: Grant and Bill, I don't know whether it was a 350A or 350A Reference. It was a couple of years ago, and I only had it on loan for a month or so. Definitely stereo version though.

Sutts: Another brand to consider is Plinius, either SA-250 mk IV, SA-102 or SA-103. All are very musical will killer bass, and are pure Class A bias designs.

Cheers,
John
The amp is the end of the chain when it comes to differentially balanced or not, and if there is anything to the "SET" nature of your amps, it will not matter a great deal I expect. I am not a circuit specialist, but given the way that the circuit runs through the tube, I cannot imagine how the "fully balanced" will matter to a true SET - I imagine it will only matter if it is triode-ified push-pull, and even then, circuit implementation will matter far more than whether the amplifier circuit is fully differentially balanced or not (the next part of the chain is speakers, which will not care whether the amp was differentially balanced or not).

The VTL 450s (the old ones, at least) have a triode/tetrode switch on the back (do NOT switch while the amp is on - some speakers do not like it).
I'm auditioning a Pass Labs XA-30.5 with Silverline Sonata III, driven by an Atma-Sphere MP-1 MK III. Alan Yun voices his speakers with Pass Labs, so I thought I ought to hear this combo.

I'm also using Speltz Zero boxes and doubling the Sonata III nominal impedance to 16 ohms. Very nice change...more spacious, open and relaxed, while still retaining the punch and drive. I'm not sure I'll ever use the Sonata III without the Zeros.

The bottom line is the XA-30.5 now is providing only 15 wpc into 8 ohms...but what excellent sound is resulting! I'm playing at easily 89-90db peaks with apparently room to go (but I haven't pushed it yet).

The Pass is a velvet hammer (which is exactly how I described the Moscode 401HR paired with Von Schweikert VR4 Gen III HSE). The Pass Labs/Silverline combo is the best I've heard in my living room since the Von Schweikert/Moscode combo, and yes I'd say the Pass/Silverline combo is better. Great bass...deep, tight and solid. Electric bass lines are clear in the mix and easy to follow. In fact, I can't recall following electric bass so easily in the past. Mids and highs are equally resolved, and the highs display outstanding clarity and extension with out sibilance. Mids have very nice weight, punch and drive.

No, it's not tubes...not quite as holographic or organic, but it's close, and it provides many things tubes don't (or at least haven't in any of my systems). The amp has only about 30 hours on it, and already it's making an impression. Supposedly, it won't come into full bloom until 100-150 hours.
I went from an ARC VT130 to a BAT VK75SE. I later modded the BAT with V-Caps and a few other minor changes that significantly improved resolution, neutrality, dynamics, bass extension & control-- IMO putting the amp at par with a top OTL. There is no area of this modded amp that is not way over the top of the ARC VT series. The 75SE can be converted to a monoblock if desired. The amp has been in production for quite awhile, but with a lite rework it's pretty astonishing. And used examples are available below $5K.

I share Tvad's positive opinion of the Spletz autoformers. In my second system they do a nice job of marrying a 3wpc SET to Wilson Watt/Puppy-- a very difficult load. In the some configurations they can make a mid-powered tube amp sound like big monoblocks.