Holographic imaging


Hi folks, is the so called holographic imaging with many tube amplifiers an artifact? With solid state one only hears "holographic imaging" if that is in the recording, but with many tube amps you can hear it all the time. So solid state fails in this department? Or are those tube amps not telling the truth?

Chris
dazzdax
I think Tvad nailed it, there are two camps.

Mapman can go on and on about the advantages of whatever we're talking about, but he'll never convince those of us in Camp 1, me included, that what he's proposing is desired in our systems. Likewise, Camp 2 isn't going to like what I propose and it'll be found "lacking."

Dave
Tvad,

I'm probably more in the first camp in terms of how I set up my system, but the inherent flawed nature of many of the recorded musical performances that are my favorites forces me to be content in the second when needed. For example, I have no control over how many of the early Beatle's recordings in particular were produced. I have to accept the limitations of the sound because the music and performances are exceptional and make up for the lackluster sound.

I am happiest though with great music and performances that also happen to be well recorded so I can in fact practically exist in the first camp.

I am a music first guy. I will not not listen to something just because it sounds "recorded". I'd rather it sound more "lifelike" if it could, but it is what it is.
"There are many ways that lead to Rome....."

And some of them pass right by Sofia's house, and you pause to think of her as you once did in the past. :-)

Lets face it, very few recordings were made in a fashion that I believe is required to set up the possibility that an audio system might produce a sonic hologram, as I would hear it.

As a pratical matter most everything we hear is the result of multi-miking, mixing down, compression, often by a low-end recording engineer in an anechoic studio or an unoccupied symphony hall (an echo chamber perhaps?). So if we are happy with our systems when it can reproduce this music well and even remotely remind us of a live event we should be content.

Mapman, You've got the right idea. You know what you hear, you know what you believe, and you're undetered by anything which might threaten your sonic/intellectual illusions. We should all be so fortunate, but we chase dreams anchored in the opinions of others.
Newbee,

I'm undetered because I've heard a lot of variations of very good live and reproduced sound over the years and know that there are many ways to skin a cat. We each make our own best informed choices.
Mapman, I agree that we make our own choices based on what we hear. I get no holographic presentation from omni directional speakers but do with my LaCampanellas and the H-Cat electronics. I suspect that all of us are interested in the music, but there is a thrill to realism in an outstanding performance, that I have always sought, but again some may not seek this. Need there be further discussion?