Darkmoebius, the thread evolved from the original question, and several amps mentioned were also out of the intended budget. I listed other amps to indicate the *relative" butt kicking.
The Audio Valve Challenger can also kick butts.
Moreover, list prices hardly matter any more, thanks to audiogon.
The Audio Valve Challenger can also kick butts.
Moreover, list prices hardly matter any more, thanks to audiogon.

