Primaluna and Rogue

If you don't think they sound bright, fine! I meant in comparison to the PrimaLuna's, and actually in comparison to all other tube amps I have heard. I have heard them over the exact same set of speakers, wire, etc. as the PrimaLuna's, and everyone present agreed that the Rogue's had a much brighter, harder sound. I am not saying this was a bad sound at all, by the way, just different, and not what I personally cared for. The PrimaLuna's certainly sound more life-like and throw a much bigger soundstage, IMO, if that is important to you, and I have never heard of anyone having a problem with them, whereas I know a few people who have had problems with their Rogue amps. Just sharing my own experiences, YMMV.

IMS:I believe the 88s are more "full-range".Adjust warmth through the driver/input tubes.If the power is not an issue,the auto-bias works w/o a hitch.The "stock PL tubes" have a slightly forward sound.Rolling the 12au/ax tubes makes a significant improvement(>>$110/4-double for monos).

Learsfool

Well the higher power Rogue amps are a bad match for your speakers (which are fairly bright sounding on their own).

Just as the Primaluna would not be a good match for my Apogee speakers.

The amp must fill the need of the user.

Dave

Yes I have heard the rogue sound numerous times and I like it. The bass is in line with my musical taste (jazz, fusion) and neither the M150 or the stereo 90 ever sounded bright to me. Granted, I've not heard the Primaluna gear which is why I started this thread to begin with.

Sogood, you make a great point about speaker matching. In the running are Focal 1027be or 1007be, (both of which sounded great with the Rogue gear) Sonus Faber Cremonas and the old Alon V. I understand that Alons like tubes so thats why I began my query about tube gear, but have since heard the Cremonas and the focal stuff, both very impressive. Decisions, decisions.

Sogood, I did not hear the Rogue on my Klipsch speakers, I heard them through a pair of ProAc Studio 140's, through which I have also heard my amp. The Rogue's have much more power than I need to drive my Cornwall 2's, for sure (so do the PrimaLuna's for that matter), but then, I can drive them with almost anything I want, that's not really an issue for me. And either amp should drive all of the speakers Hawk is considering just fine. I haven't heard the Focals or the Alon, but the Sonus Faber's are very nice. Personally, I would make the speaker choice first, though - the speaker will have the greatest effect on the sound of your system. If you don't like the sound of them, it doesn't matter what you drive them with, really. Doing it the other way around is putting the cart before the horse, IMO.