What is wrong with negative feedback?


I am not talking about the kind you get as a flaky seller, but as used in amplifier design. It just seems to me that a lot of amp designs advertise "zero negative feedback" as a selling point.

As I understand, NFB is a loop taken from the amplifier output and fed back into the input to keep the amp stable. This sounds like it should be a good thing. So what are the negative trade-offs involved, if any?
solman989
Ralph, this is the wrong place to ask, but would you care to answer the math as proposed by:

http://www.transcendentsound.com/amplifier_output_impedance.htm

Just trying to get a grasp on the "how". The other controversial article is not related to this thread.

Fascinating relating electronics to chaos theory. Maybe we can use it to predict long term digital format forecasts.
The math is fine right up the 2nd to last paragraph where an assumption is made that is incorrect. It matters a lot what the output section topology is. An excellent example is the difference between a triode gain stage and a cathode follower using the same triode. The CF will be found to have a lower output impedance, according to Rp/1+mu where Rp is the plate resistance and mu is the 'voltage gain' of the tube.

So if we take the example given we get 17.5/3 = 5.767 (the mu of a 6AS7G is 2), which is for a simple CF circuit. For a Circlotron, which is a CF variant, the formula is similar, the 1 is replaced by a 2 as above so we get 17.5/4 = 4.375

In these cases it is assumed there is no feedback.
I don't believe it is fair to talk about damping factor without mention of speaker 'Q'.
A hi DF and a 'Q' of over say....1.3 will still produce sloppy bass as will a very low DF and a critically damped 'Q' of .707
Also, no mention has been made of Voltage source vs Current source amplification, and the speakers which are best suited for each.
'Current source' is what I call the Power Paradigm, as amps in that category try to make constant power, rather than constant voltage. Its the intention of the designer of the speaker that puts the speaker into the Power camp as opposed to the Voltage camp.

The pivotal issue herein is feedback: Voltage source amps tend to use feedback to create the voltage source aspects. A price is paid for this: odd ordered harmonics, which is responsible for brightness or hardness.

Nelson Pass' 1st Watt amps are an example of a 'current source' (Power Paradigm), just like many low powered SETs.

The Power Paradigm vs Voltage Paradigm is really what we are talking about here, the same is true of tubes vs transistors and the importance of amp/speaker matching:
http://www.atma-sphere.com/papers/paradigm_paper2.html