Dollar to Satisfaction Ratio not met.


Comments and assistance needed. I have a Bat VK51SE paired with a McCormack DNA 500.

CDP--Cambridge Audio 840c,

Interconnects--Supra- EFF ILS XLRs, & Kimber Hero via BAT adapters

Speakers-- VMPS 626Rs, ADS 1090s, Platinum Audio Solo

Subwoofer-- Velodyne & Sunfire

Power Cords, DCCA Eminence, Supra LaRod, & Shunyata Taipan helixs

My situation is this, sound with the BAT and McCormack is quite dull, I have muffled highs and mids, and just bass sound no articulation, regardless of what other equipmentinterconnects use to connect these two with. But when I switch out the Bat with my Nuforce P9 pre, it's a remarkable transformation, same when switching out the DNA-500 with my DNA-225, another remarkable transformation. So, any ideas, expertise, or suggestions, in the VK51SE & DNA-500 pairing would be quite helpful. I would like to keep the 500 and 51SE together for my 2 channel listening, please advsie. Thanks !!!!
jd_df
As passionate as anyone can be about the devices and components they amass, numbers simply do not lie. Primarily of these as Al said are the impedance matches between preamp and amp.

Very often I FEEL PEOPLE PLUG & PLAY THINGS TOGETHER AND are disappointed due to the mismatching of impedance in their system… not the quality of the pieces being bought or brought in for audition.

One can spend whatever one wishes on really great stuff… but it MUST mate up well numerically (impeadancewise) with the up or downstream component or it’s a waste of time and money regardless the heritage, design, quality, or reputation of the piece, as the results will be as you are now discovering.

If you look also at the NF amps, you’ll note they too have a quite low imp rating akin to the McCormack, and consequently why the NF preamp works well or weller, uh, better… sheesh… with the big Ss amp than does the BAT vk51.

Note too, the BAT amps, which we all know if one goes “all in house” there is built in sysnergy, have far greater input imp numbers than do the McCormacks. 100K vs. 10K. They didn’t just pick any old input imp rating for their amps, did they?

Naturally, the BAT pre and BAT amps will work well together.. of course the NF pre and amps will work well together too… but mixing them up is where you’ll find problems if the impedances aren’t optimized for one another.

So pursue the ‘work around.. and add another gizmo into the signal path, and some more cabling or ’decide which unit you let go of… or mate up differently. Currently it seems the NF pre and big Mac are one path… the BAT pre and a Hmmm… BAT amp?, might be another..Or an amp with likewise input imp numbers closer to those of the BAT amplifiers.. 100K… which in BATland equals 50K per leg. 100K total balanced.

‘course, you could also run w/o sub, and that might help… but I’d not bet a lot on it.

Al explained all of this to me in likewise fashion but on different gear just recently …. And it does all make sense… on paper and in practice.

Which ever way … very good luck to you.
James,
I must agree with the very thoughtful and wise posts above. Your ears have told you the truth, those two componemts don`t match! plain and simple fact. Just except it and move onward. Wanting something to work is not going to solve the problem.
Buffers are more of a band aid than a real solution . More boxes more cables .
Can anyone tell me why some amp designs have such a low input impedance.

Is it because the design demands it? Or they don't expect you to use a tube preamp with it? Is there a sonic penalty for raising the input impedance?

Sean
JD,

It seems that you posted a question a few months ago (http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?aamps&1297092536&openfrom&1&4#1) about the concern of impedances between the two units. Now you know the answer, not just from theory but also practice.

One of the posters on that thread suggested calling McCormack and asking them if the BAT would be an appropriate fit. If you did that, I'm just curious what they said and what kinds of preamps might be optimal fits for the DNA-500.

As others have said above, don't get hung up over making it work with the gear you have now. Move on, and evolve your system sonically.

Michael
Michael