What will raising the Va of atransformers provide?


I have a dual-mono custom built solid state power amplifer with a pair of 500Va transformers. The power supply is in a separate chassis/housing.

Is there any merit to increasing (upgrading) to upwards of 1000Va transformers? What kind of sonic benefits can this provide?

I realize in my lay understanding of amplifer design that this retrofit will likely require a cascading change-out of other components (resistors, etc.) as their requirements will have to be matched to the higher Va transformers.
If so, what are some examples of the better quality manufacturers? I am not concerned about price.

Scott
scott_wolff
Firstly lets get this Class-A and AB thing sorted out.

Class-A: This is where the transistors that operate both the negative and positive going parts of the waveform are ALWAYS on. The reason why Class-A amplifiers get hot is because the transistors are always ON.

Class AB: is where the transistors are only on half of the time, they switch on and off, cycling between the two halves of the waveform. The good thing here is that the transistors are OFF half the time hence less heat.
The problem now is crossover distortion! This is where the 2 halves 'don't quite meet up properly'.

Stanwal - it has nothing to do with full power or AB varying with demand.

So the question to whether a larger VA rating can improve the audio is YES. This is partly because as the VA rating increases the transformer 'regulation' becomes more efficient. Also (and remember VA = Volt Amperes) as you increase VA your current 'tap' increases allowing your amplifier to draw more current when needed.
If you imagine - a standard desktop computer draws approx 25-35A for a few milli secs when asked to perform a BIG number crunch. - this is the equivalent of a large transient in music (kick drum, bass guitar pluck, timpany on drugs)

How much current does a preamp need????

Well, I'm not a Naim Audio lover BUT if you listen to any of there preamps with their smaller power supplies and go to a bigger power supply the improvement is BIG. This is the same for any amplifier design (A,AB,B etc).
Class-D (again not a fan) improves with larger VA transformer - just ask Hypex

Remember, to get the best from a larger VA rated transformer you must upgrade the rectifiers and filter caps accordingly or else it's bottleneck time.

Dcarol, why do you think it does not? A true chass A amp draws 4 watts ALL THE TIME for each watt of output. So a 100 watt a channel amp will draw a constant 800 watts from the wall. An AB amp idles at a few watts and rarely draws its maximum current. Therefore the transformers in an A amp have to be up to ALWAYS supplying full current as opposed to doing it once in a great while. It is obvious that class A amps require more robust parts to deal with the constant heat generated; they actually run cooler at full output than at idle. Class A amps never see a sharp increase in current draw because they are already drawing their maximum; how then would bigger transformers improve the performance? Yes you could increase the power rating but that would mean everything else would have to be bigger also. I thought the origional question was just changing the transformer and I have seen nothing in what you said to convince me that it would.
Stanwal

high-end audio reproduction doesn't work like that. If it did work the 'theoretical way' then a bigger power supply or larger VA rating on a transformer on a preamp would do absolutely nothing!

As we all pretty much know though, it does make a difference.

Your calculations do not take into account instantaneous/ transient current draw - the current draw during fast, large musical passages which happen in a few milliseconds. This is where a larger VA rating is needed. If you have ever built an amplifier whether Class-A or AB and calculated the exact power requirements and even been generous adding an extra 1.4 multiple, you will still hear an improvement doubling the VA rating.

If the theory and maths could explain everything then how does high-end audio work? Theory and maths does not explain differences in audio nor does it explain the reason why a larger supply helps the audio reproduction in just about every piece of audio equipment. Ask any audio designer...he'll/she'll be able to get so far but then after that it's all 'guess work'.

stanwal: I thought the origional question was just changing the transformer
Dirk: Changing the transformer to something larger is changing to a larger VA rating.

It is your original explanation to class-A and AB that is questionable. Class-AB 'varies with demand' and Class-A 'runs at full power' and also the idea that they are all large and expensive - they are not all large and expensive.

I'm not asking you to take anything I say onboard, just that it is not as simple as you make out - if it was then we would all have the same system.
Dcarol, it appears that you are not addressing Stanwal's point about a class A amplifier. I agree with him- if the transformer for such an amplifier is up to the task in the first place, a larger transformer is not going to make a difference, high end audio or no. If the transformer is not up to the task, then the amp is either not class A or its one with a reputation for eating transformers. In any case it may be moot as a class A amplifier is 'high end' anyway...

Unless you are upgrading and altering the circuit designs within your amp, the new transformers must have the same turns ratio for voltage in and out. In other words, whatever the original input and output voltages are in your current transformer, that is what it must be for your new transformers.

This comment is not entirely true. Power transformers can have voltage drops across their windings, a lot has to do with the internal temperature rise of the part during operation- transformers with more temperature rise have higher internal voltage drops. If you go with a transformer with more VA, you may well have to *reduce* the turns ratio to obtain the correct output voltages under load.

In any case, while on the surface it might appear to be a simple upgrade, the fact of the matter is that doing such a change is an R&D project and should be viewed in that light, especially when the initial results fail to satisfy :)
I might add that I was one of the origional Krell dealers and have also sold Class A amps from Musical Fidelity and Stax. I had a preamp with a custom power supply using 2 Avil Lindberg torrodial transformers and very large caps built in the early 80s; my ASR Basis phono stage uses a 50 lb power supply and my MF Kw line stage weighs 50 lb or so and will put out 50 volts. I also use an aftermarket PS for my MF V-DAC. I am well aware of the importance of power supplies; my point was that JUST the subistution of bigger transformers in a design that already had adquate ones was not a guarentee of better sound. As Atmasphere points out it is a lot more complicated than just making a simple subistution.