Current amp vs Voltage amp

Full range, quality high efficiency speakers tend to be big and expensive.

I think you have blame the laws of physics for that!!!

NEwer high efficiency amplifier technology is capable of taking a lot of the technical guesswork out of the equation and driving most ANY speaker well. PLus they are small and affordable!

I assume you are talking about Class D or switching amps. I'd love to hear Atmasphere and Almarg comment about how that type of amplifier's inherent electrical characteristics interacts w speaker loads.

W respect to the 'why" of inefficient speakers w widely varying impedance and phase angle v. frequency response, it's my understanding that a lot of that has to do w the laws of physics. You need a large driver to propagate bass energy. But large drivers tend not to work very well at higher frequencies. So in many cases you solve that w a multi-driver speaker w a crossover. If you want extended HF & LF response and have the important mid-range covered by a single unit, you end up w a 3 or 4 way design w a more complex crossover. To maximize efficiency in the bass region (which really eats up power), many designers use ported speakers. All of these elements make it difficult (not impossible) to design a full range or near full range speaker w flat impedance and modest phase angles. If you've been following other threads, you will see that there is market resistance to so-called "simple designs" at what some perceive as "high" prices. And then there is the "wow" factor of those multi-driver behemoths like the guy from "New Hampsha" hawks. Pay $10K for a near full range 2 way or $30K for a near full range single driver or pay less for a 7' tall coffin w 5, 6, or 7 drivers. You make the call.

In the Power Paradigm the box design puts the peak at a lower frequency to take advantage of the extra energy- but again netting fairly flat frequency response, but wiht the additional benefit of bass extension, which might well be up to half an octave.

Atmasphere, what does this mean?
The box resonance peak is where it is. How does the Power Paradigm amplifier move that peak to a lower frequency?
If the resistance in the bass region goes up (due to a box resonance) then the current into that higher resistance goes down. the voltage must go up to keep constant power. Where does the bass extension come from?

A good example is an ESL, whose impedance curve is based on a capacitor. It really works a lot better if the amp makes constant power rather than constant voltage.

I believe that a traditional SS amp (one that was not designed for an ESL in mind) will likely sound mediocre 'cuz of the high capacitance load that will tend to make that amp oscillate & eventually fail. OTOH, if a SS amp is designed with an ESL in mind (& a few names come to mind that are being used successfully with ESLs & planars) then these SS amps will be effective.

The answer here is quite simply, such amps that can drive such loads are usually incapable of sounding like real music, as they have design features that violate human hearing/perceptual rules.

I'm afraid that I do not agree with this either. Again, a few examples come to mind where amps that have been designed to tackle tough-load speakers do sound very musical.
I agree that copious amounts of global negative feedback totally ruin the sonics of the amplifier. However, there are a few manuf who have figured out how to tackle hard speaker loads & yet sound musical.

" Full range, quality high efficiency speakers tend to be big and expensive.

I think you have blame the laws of physics for that!!! "

WHo better to blame without a dispute? :^)

Of course, Atmasphere's claim that negative feedback always makes an amp not sound like music as always is highly debatable, though he certainly backs up what he says with his products by not using NF.

The consensus answer to the NF issue seems to be that the results are a function of how it is done, with global feedback being more problematic than local.

My observation from listening and reading on teh topic is that good Class D switching amps seem to have a good NF implementation that makes it a non issue in terms of sounding "like music" or more like a good tube amp. Of course, what music really "sounds like" is highly subjective anyhow, so arguing about it is probably a moot point. Each experienced audiophile knows what does or does not sound like music or not to them.

I think Atmasphere and I do agree though from past discussions that one of the best indicators that things are working well is when turning the volume up sounds good and the high volume does not call attention to itself and is best indicated mainly by its volume relative to other sounds, like people talking, etc., and a bad NF implementation would seem to work against that goal.

IME, there is wisdom in what Ralph says about musicality and distortion. As I mentioned above, after switching output tranny taps, I think the midrange "forwardness" of my speakers has been tamed somewhat and bass seems more honest and extended.

And as far as turning up the volume, I do not detect any break-up or audible distortion. However, to be fair, when the SPL get's really high, my ears hurt. So what's the point of that exercise?? ;>')

As a point of scientific interest, I am curious how my speakers would perform if FR was measured in an anechoic chamber. But as Mapman said, and I agree with him, musicality has a significant subjective element to it.

Heck, even if my rig was ruler flat as proven in an anechoic chamber and my room didn't add any coloration, some recording are so bad, I think I'd prefer listening to pure distortion. LOL. Lately, I've been trying to get my hands on old London LPs. Many sound pretty good. OTOH, I've picked some LP dogs that are so bad, the neighborhood dogs howl. And I don't think that's because of NF or impedance peaks or negative phase angles. Some recorded music just stinks.

Great thread. I thank everyone for their terrific comments.

HEy, look, if it weren't for fretting over how well every technical detail of one's system is working in theory compared to others, what else would one do? Listen to music and find out, maybe?