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Rethinking Listening Fatigue

Listening fatigue to me has always been a sure sign that something was wrong with an audio system.

It is a useful test of a system, because it is not always immediately apparent - a fact which has undoubtedly helped Dr Bose get rich.

I have always thought fatigue was mainly a product of digital, overly bright tweeters, and/or a sonic signature that puts too much emphasis on "resolution" and not enough emphasis on high quality midrange.

But lately I am wondering if I have been oversimplifying things.

As you can see in my system link, I am using a pair of ATC SCM 7's with a pair of Behringer amps used as monoblocks for my desktop and PC audio.

Recently, I have added a Hagerman Technology USB interface box, which goes into an Audio Research DAC 5.

To my ears, the ATCs have a slightly laid back, non fatiguing sound typical of many English products which suits my tastes just fine, particularly for very nearfield listening.

What is curious, however, is that I am starting to realize that this system sounds really different depending on the volume and/or the time of day.

At times, this little system sounds wonderful. I feel I can listen to it for hours, with the speakers < 3 feet away from my ears and in many ways, I enjoy it more than the big system.

Detail for both music and movies is very clear and I have especially noted that I am better able to discern dialogue with these speakers, without ever feeling like the sound is too "etched' or embossed.

At other times, however, I feel quickly fatigued and suddently overwhelmed with an unpleasant this is way too loud, the music is congested and I must be bothering my wife sensation.

No one I know has ever described ATC monitors as fatiguing, so I am starting to wonder:

1) Despite relatively high power of the Behringer amps in a monoblock configuration, is it possible that they are overdriven and distorting at not terribly loud levels?If so, would this type of distortion, rather than overly hot tweeters, be a more obvious culprit for fatigue?

2) Or could grunge in my AC also contribute to listeners fatigue? Would some of you recommend a line conditioner rather than an upgrade to the amps for this desktop system?

The fatigue I am trying to describe always manifests itself as 'this is uncomfortably loud' sensation.

Thank you for your thoughts and comments on this and the topic of listeners' fatigue.

cwlondon
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shadorne
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To try and tie things to together.

We are all talking about the same thing as being fatiguing.

Higher order harmonics from intermodulation be it TIM or other forms of distortion.

This happens with a bad amp design. It also happens when an amp is overdriven. It is worse when an SS amp is overdriven.

However as Reubent pointed out it can also be on your source media (CD or iTunes). Audio compression is often overdone in the mastering process - it make all loudness levels on a CD match and give the CD an "etched" and aggressive sound. It does the same thing as clipping on an amplifier - it creates a whole bunch of higher order odd harmonics...so it sounds the same.

Try grabbing any pop/rock CD that you bought in the 80's and compare it to something you bought in the last few years. It is pretty obvious. In the last five years is it has begun to affect other genres such as jazz and classical.

Here is an explanation

And hear is a quote for you

"I listened to all the CDs submitted to NARAS for consideration in the 'Best Engineered Non-Classical' Grammy category. We listened to about 3 to 4 cuts [from the TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY SEVEN albums submitted]. Every single CD was squashed to death with no dynamic range...the Finalizers and plug-ins were cranked to 'eleven' so that their CD would be the loudest... Not one...attempted to take advantage of the dynamic range or cleanliness of digital recording.

-Roger Nichols - Grammy winning engineer for Steely Dan, Beach Boys and more - Jan. 2002 Eq Magazine
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Oh and for those who like detail. Here is some sobering reading that explains how your DAC is very likely clipping due to illegally loud redbook on most recent CD's.

And CD sales are declining...and the industry wonders why?

Well they get what they deserve - if, as quoted above, 267 of the best CD's nominated for non-classical grammys are all "squashed to death" no wonder everyone agrees that digital is fatiguing! Why pay good money for a bad product -you can download it for less.

CD and iTunes quality is truely terrible these days. No wonder Vinyl is still around - you physically can't make Vinyl hard clip in the way a CD can. Vinyl phsyically cannot sound as harsh and bad as "illegal" redbook CD.
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I agree that the vast majority of contemporary cds sound terrible, the main reason I buy very little comtemporary music. Even some of the recently done remasters are starting to sound way too hot for me. The recent box set about Electra Records is one example, when the sound of folk bothers me something is way out of wack.
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Shardone - you are absolutely right. They neglected quality and encouraged copying by setting prices too high. SACD, HDCD etc. are carrying much better copy protection but are way too expensive often with poorly mixed recordings.

DVDs are sold in countries like China for couple of bucks (still profitable) but cannot be imported back to US because of zoning. Industry is not playing fair.

Early popular music CDs were digitized poorly (jitter impossible to remove) and recorded on CD with overly bright sound. Unfortunately sales of CDs were propeled by majority not interested in good sound and often played on boom boxes.
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This thread is getting very sad.

It sounds like I should just chuck all of my gear, go back to analogue and spend my weekends listening to the Sheffield Drum Record.
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