Listener fatigue: what does it really mean?


Okay, so I used to think that listener fatigue meant that your ears just kind of got tired from listening to speakers that were overly bright. I don't have a good understanding of the make up of an ear, but I believe there are muscles in an ear that, I guess, expand and contract while we listen to music and I figured that's what it meant to have listener fatigue. Now, I'm thinking that listener fatigue is maybe more than your ears just getting tired but actually, your whole body getting tired and feeling drained. I experienced this time and time again listening to my paradigm studio's. They are somewhat bright and provide quite a bit of detail in my oppinion, so I'm wondering if, since there was such a great amount of detail coming through, that it was physically draining because I'm sitting there analyzing everything that's coming through the speakers. I would wake up and first thing in the morning, grab a cup of coffee and start listening to music (my daily routine) and 20-30 minutes later start nodding off and I couldn't figure out what was going on. I've been sitting here this morning listening to my new vandersteen's for two hours and can't get enough. I feel like I could listen all day and that I'm almost energized from listening vs. drained.

Soooo, what are your oppinions about what listener fatigue is and why it's caused?
b_limo
Csontos, you put your finger on the leading edge of what is possible with transistors.

Here is one of the difficulties you are dealing with. Transistors have a non-linear capacitive aspect inherent in the junctions of the devices. In fact some semiconductors take advantage of this capacitance, as in the example of varactor diodes that are used in the tuning of modern FM radios.

This non-linear capacitance is magnified by the amount of current through the junction. It results in non-linearities in the amplifier that employs such devices. Now if you were reading between the lines, one way to reduce this problem is have the amp drive a higher load impedance. This will reduce the current in the driver transistors and output devices.

There are other advantages to a higher load impedance besides this one, but that is one effective means of reducing harshness in transistor amps. Of course you will get less power, but in high end audio usually we are more concerned about sound quality rather than raw sound pressure.

Now in tubes there is also an inter-element capacitance; the difference is that it is constant and unchanging regardless of signal level rather than non-linear and changing. This makes it a lot easier to build a circuit that is low in odd ordered harmonics.

This seems to me to be one of the things that has to be dealt with in a transistor design before overcoming the apparent advantages of tubes insofar as listener fatigue is concerned. One patented method to get around this problems involves heating the power transistors to a high (+100c) temperature- I have heard one of those amps and its quite impressive- but also very expensive- over $100,000 for a 100-watt/channel amplifier. Plus it made all the heat of a class A tube amp of the same power.

So it seems to me that in more practical terms tubes do have the upper hand in this regard, as its fairly easy to build a zero-feedback tube amplifier. That is hard to do with transistors; but Ayre and the Pass First Watt amps are examples, and IMO these are some of the best transistor amps made today.
But what about 'bridged' amps? An issue I have just brought up on another thread in an unrelated? issue, 2nd order harmonics being cancelled out.
Csontos, the 2nd harmonic is considered musical to the human ear (contributes to the coloration known as 'warmth' or 'richness'), and is not used as a loudness cue. Its the 5th, 7th and 9th that are, and they are likely to be in slightly higher numbers in a bridged transistor amp.
O.K., we have a top notch amp manufacturer giving his expert opionion on how the amplification process can contribute to listener fatigue, is that the whole story? The presence or absence of odd ordered harmonics perceived by the brain as noise explains it all. Do lack of detail or dynamics contribute? Can too much detail cause fatigue? How much does the preconceived notion in our head of good sound contribute? Can complying too much or varying too much from this image cause fatigue? Is complete aversion, like fingernails on a chalkboard, instant fatigue or something else?
Ralph, I'm wondering if you've come across Susan Parker's 'Zeus' zero feedback impedance amplifier? I'd love to hear your thoughts on her design. She's had a following on DIY since she posted it in 2004. "Straight wire with gain", either tube or ss.