Are the Grammy's becoming irrelevant?

Gdoodle - well said... couldn't agree more. Although I'd say the Oscars are treading head first into the PC lake. By most critical accounts I've seen, Al Gore's movie was poorly crafted at best.

Art will always cross the divide into the political arena, but Hollywood and the Academy Awards IMO is in no position to teach or lecture the public. I thought this was the most political Academy Award show I've ever seen.

The grammys are irrelevant as is the record industry for the most part. The record companies are so out of touch with what makes good "music" and their awards show can only re-iterate that fact. By contrast the Oscars are fairly relevant and actualy award "quality" work regardless of box office. Case in point - the Oscars devoted 15-20 minutes to a pretty darn good composer named Ennio Morricone - whereas, guess how much time the grammys will be devoting to beethoven or glass or film scores or the recent coltrane recordings or any record that anyone on audiogon cares about...? Every year at this time I marvel at the contrast between the Oscars and the grammys - one industry is really developing and promoting an art form and the other is in the trash business.

Mainstream garbage at best. Not the least bit interesting, or intellegent.

Milk toast for years now....

Dawgbyte - I enjoyed the thread you started!

Apologies for continuing this non-music discussion, but AMEN TO THAT! (though I'm not certain Vietnam was a civil war), none the less and further to Kurt_tank's point, I guess we should just kiss off the 6 million or so Iraquis that risked life and limb to go out and vote.

Timrhu, I sometimes refer to it as "pop country" but maybe we should call it "pap country". Frankly, I don't care for most of it. But, to each his own, I guess.

It seems to me "country" music, if we call the pap that passes for country music these days "country" music, is much more popular now. As mainstream as any other genre. That's the reason it can win a Grammy.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think that a country act as ever won album of the year??? Think of all the great ones who never won. Maybe it was just a weak field.

Vegasears..........you will get over, cmon arent you ready to make nice?

The Grammy's? Do they still do that?

After reading most of the responses here I have lost a lot of respect for a few people, who's opinions I valued. Name calling and politics are not what this site is about.

Who are these Chixie Dicks I keep hear about?

SICK SICK SICK!

I heard about the Dixie Chicks Outlet Cover, too. That's the one that you do not want to "screw" in. Badda bum.

Justin Timberlake is selling a great outlet cover with his picture on it. I hear the Dixie Chicks will be putting their own on the market soon.

I think the Dixie Chicks winning a Grammy has more credibility than those outlet covers.

A better name for the awards is "Grannys"

anyone want to discuss whether outlet covers make an audible difference?

"Are the Grammy's becoming irrelevant?"
Yes, at least as far as this thread is concerned.

BTW, buying, selling or trading audio gear or music, is a business transaction

starlight vocal band 'afternoon delight'....yes ALL grammy nominations and winners are music industry insider b.s.....why would any fan of any artist be upset their favorite didn't win? gram parsons and rick nelson aren't in the country music hall of fame....the hollies aren't in the r&r hall of fame....life is unfare, but that's rock & roll

Sir, that is my preference not to mix business and politics. I am in sales and would not jeoperdize a sale to espouse my personal political opinion in an arena that has nothing to do with politics. The original topic of this thread was, Are the Grammy's becoming irrelevant? What does White House foreign policy have to do with the relevance of The Grammy awards?

Since when (1) are we all business people and (2 )don't business and politic mix, since they mix all the time in real life? Which is not to say that this thread hasn't gone FAR off track. :-)

So some of you did not like the Grammys because the music was crap and some of you did not like the Grammys because the music was crap and the winners of best album had a left wing political bent. At least everyone agrees on something.

I second that Audiofeil. For you fellows insisting on dicsussing your personal political views, please find somewhrer else to do it. We are business people, and business and politics shouldn't mix.

Could somebody grab the helm and get the ship back on course?

Paul - "When will we learn that we cannot be the world's cop?"

May I suggest to you that it's a little more than being the world's cop. This war was not about Iraqi WMD. What most Americans don't realize is that this war is a religious and cultural war, which actually begin in 1979 with the declaration of Islamic Jihah by the Aytollah Khomeini in Iran. America's proactive engagement in this fight began on September 12, 2001.

We are fighting a war of ideology that only happens to be based in Iraq, but in point of fact is taking place all across the globe. Our enemy (Islamic Fundamentalism) is determined to destroy America and our allies. If we fail in Iraq and run like we did from Viet Nam in 1975 and Lebanon in '83, we will further embolden AQ, Hezbolah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Iran, Syria, Sudan et. al, enabling them to attack our interests to a far greater extent than what we saw in 2001.

Hopefully, we've learned from the mistakes made by the Flower Power generation and we won't turn Iraq into a Viet Nam. If we are smart we won't run when the going gets tough and meet our obligations and acheive our objectives. If we aren't smart and follow the course set out by anti-war activists we will suffer a far greater threat than was realized on 9/11.

If you don't believe in what I tell you, I have a recommendation. Read Bridgette Gabriel's book entitled "Why They Hate Us."

Jeff Bowman wondered:
"Did someone just say that the Dixie Hicks are "hot looking"? "

Jeff, they may not be super-models, but I think most men would agree that at least 2 of the Chix are fetching indeed. Ms. Maines is not my cup o' tea, but the other 2 are quite attractive, IMHO.

Beemer, You are so very wrong.

Ask the Kurds if there were Weapons of Mass Destruction!
Thousands upon thousands died when Chemical Ali used them on them. Or perhaps they merely dreamed that there were thousands of dead lying in the streets?! (I assume you are one of those who think the Holocaust never happened too, right?!)

And, the reason why Iraq is not Vietnam is that Vietnam was a civil war. Iraq was liberated from one of the worst dictators ever. Ammensty Internation states that Saddam killed over a million of his own people. Not counting the people who died in the two wars against Iran and Kuwait that he started.

Please get your facts straight.

Please read this:

Perhaps you should wake up, before you vote for another Clinton, who administration will once again bury their heads in the sand when we are attacked again and again and yet again, and they do nothing to protect us!

Wow, some of youse guys need a time out.

When my generation was younger most of the bands and artists that were my favorites were speaking out against the war in Vietnam.

Now we have the Vietnam of the new millenium. Thousands of our young folks die for midieval folk most of which haven't got the courage to stand up for themselves.

I'd like to see our current administration honor those who've already died by bringing the rest home before they have an opportunity to die for basically nothing.

These folks in the middle east have been fighting amongst themselves since Jesus walked the earth and before.
When will we learn that we cannot be the world's cop?

Just imagine if the BILLIONS of dollars that have been spent on this fruitless war had been spent here at home.

Meanwhile the Arabs and big oil have thier last laugh at our expense. Exxon/Mobil posts record profits on the backs of American consumers, and our administration has sold out to big business. LOL even Chevron had to change the name of their largest tanker from "Condoleeza Rice" to "Altair Voyager" Condoleeza Rice sat on Chevron's board for years.

Look closely at what your goverment wants you to believe today. "Weapons of Mass Destruction", .....they're weren't any.

Now we border on a police state where there are terrorists on every corner, under every bridge and in every back yard. Our goverment has a policy totally based on fear. Common sense and personal responsibility have taken flight.

Wake up folks, before it is REALLY too late.

Best,

Paul :-)

Did someone just say that the Dixie Hicks are "hot looking"? Compared to what? Neil Young?

They had to wait until she was dead to give Janis Joplin a Grammy. When were they ever relevant?

This thread has become very irrelavent to music.

What happened to Dylan? One of the best CD's I have bought in the last few years. Can quite get myself to buy a Dixie Chicks CD but hope springs eternal. I’ll keep my political views to myself and use the ballot box to exercise them. I still find it hard to believe so many people have opinions and so few vote … go figure.

What bothers me is that a large group of people who watch this junk want to know and are impressed by the political positions of musical artists than they are by the political positions of their elected officials. Perhaps a generalization, but one fostered by the times we live in.

THE GRASS GROWING IN MY YARD IS MORE IMPORTANT....

I wish all these musicians would shut up and run for office. They are not in the spotlight because of their political views. They are doing a bait and switch. I don't need this crap. They could put some clothes on, run for office and get elected. What is so hard about that? I would have a great deal of respect for someone who actually worked for their beliefs instead of tryng to pull off some kind of Banana Republic-type coup.

Yup. And then there are all of those idiots who went out and buoght the Dixie Chicks Album by the millions...perhaps all to show contempt for 'W". Hmmmm, maybe the album is good and The Country Awards are too political to get it.

Oh, I hated The Dixie Chicks outfits. And, no I did not buy the album, although I am a bit hard-pressed to suggest a better/more popular one.

Not to mention that the Dixie Chicks are not only hot looking but are actually talented. Half the award winners are nothing more than Milli-Vanilli's....

I like these type of events for the outfits (READ hot women)and seeing Joan Rivers make a fool of herself and her daughter.

Yea the Jethro Tull was priceless, Sting has also won best Jazz album and never forget Milli Vanilli.

When my favorite artists and albums AREN'T nominated and/or mentioned, it makes me feel good about the music that I believe matters.

Can't recall the year, but it was a long time ago when Heavy Metal was introduced as a separate category. Jethro Tull won as best heavy metal band. Nothing against JT but come on, they didn't even use Gothic lettering on the album covers. That was quite a while ago.

Something odd is going on at Audiogon. it appears that this thread which was originally authored on Febuary 13, 1995 is being posted today.

I predict that in the year 3000, there is going to be internet discussion posts titled, " What happened to music between 1990--2010."

Ok, the short answer, Hell Yes.

Independent of politics, are the Dixie Chicks any worse, as an act, than Justin Timberlake, Beyonce, Ludacris, Mary J. Blige and the rest of the slick, packaged performers that strut their marginal talents on the Grammy's? One can only explain the wins of all of them with one word, "marketing".

How did the Dixie Chicks "stand up to this administration"? Standing up to something means pushing back when you yourself have been pushed. The Dixie Chicks merely "spoke out against" the administration - an a excercise that requires little courage these days.

HEHEHEHE "You people" Mega Dittos!

I watched it and was only surprised that Neil Young didnt win for his Anti-war album, I figured with his status and the politics would surely be right up the left leaning Grammy community of voters, and it is sad that that Politics takes a back seat to talent.
God Bless America and our Troops.
The Dixie Chicks showed a shameful amout of imaturity when gloating over their awards, if they had any intelligence they might be insulted to know that they only won as a statement against our elected President, not because the album will stand the test of time as the best 2006 had to offer.........it wasnt.

A lot more millions DON'T agree with it. And what's with the "you people" nonsense?

Wow, this topic is gonna touch some nerves.