It's a very difficult 'section of our systems' to get fair comparisons and importantly end results that can be qualified. There are too many factors and too many ways to go about this. |
I'm not so sure about this
guy Troy He chimes in too push some Zen Server he is selling that is the greatest thing . But the Roon is just one big old P O S big boat anchor
Big Troy what some ppl. do now a daz no class just to make some $$
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@mrdon if I may offer a response to your question: How do you feel about the Lumin D2 or Lumin U1. I already have a DAC (Prism Sound Callia) Placing the U1 in front of your Callia would work great. The D2 offers analog outputs, and will sound different enough from the Callia that it really becomes a question of your personal preference. If you preferred the D2 then you could sell or repurpose the Callia. If you preferred the Callia, you'd be spending a little bit extra for analog outputs you wouldn't be using and giving up the other digital outputs found on the U1 (or U1 Mini). In addition, while the Callia accepts digital inputs from a variety of sources the LUMIN units can only operate as a streamer. For example you could not hook up a CD player or your TV's optical output to the D2 for it to act like a DAC. |
Troy / Dave is 100% right to recommend Innuos! It is a great server, one of the best out there, especially for the money.
And to be clear, you don't need Roon to use Innuos ZEN or ZEN Mini or ZENith. You can use use it with SqueezeLite endpoint, or any UPnP and DLNA streamer / controller.
If you do use Roon, it is an excellent Roon Server, AND, an excellent Roon Endpoint too. Something to keep in mind too. One solution for Serving / Streaming.
I have the new ZENith MK3 for a few weeks now, and I am very happy with it. It is so easy to use, and excellent support from the company (when I needed some help with Backup to my NAS they did a remote session and fixed it). |
Twoch, Roon is one big boat anchor? What are you smoking Roon rocks, if you notice more and more manufacturers are making their products Roon compatible endpoints, we just put out a new Krell K300i integrated amplifier for example and I can seemlessly send music to it from Roon as well as being able to send music to dozens of other devices all over my store.
Sure some people are not Roon fans, and yes it does suck to have to pay for software but Roon has a huge ton of advantages.
You may also forget we do sell and really like Aurnender products, and they make a fantastic little server, what we pointed out is that not having Roon compatibility is hurting their sales, their hardware is excellent which unit a client prefers is up to them.
Roon is getting more and more traction because it is fantastic software, if you are only going to stream Tidal or Qbuzz, or Spotify or Internet radio then the Conductor app is fine and it is free it does have some nice features. We do like the built in Airplay function of the Aurender servers and wish the Innuous would have that.
Thyname we do agree with you, we sell: Lumin, Aurender, Baetis, Innuous, Naim, and Nad servers and streamers plus a whole lot more, the Innuous is one of our absolute favorites for all the reason mentioned in this thread, is it perfect no it isn't but the company continues to make better and better products.
Mrdon the Calia is supposed to be an excellent dac so unless you are unhappy with its performance I would concentrate on the sever part.
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ: Innuous, Aurender dealers
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Ok, so far it appears Aurender was kicked to the curb at some point in favor of the Innous then Lumin D2 or Lumin U1 in that order... Then I heard NDX 2 XPS 2 or a 555 [Nad?} which I am now going to look at.. I was favoring the Lumin D2 for the fact it has AirPlay and updates which the Innous? Hey
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mrdon are you looking for a server or a streamer?
The Naim Ndx 2 oor a 555 are expensive streaming dacs, the NDX is $7500 for example. The Lumin D2 is excellent but it also includes a dac while the U1 does not.
The Aurender and Innuous products are mostly streamers, although the Innuous Mini has analog outputs and the Aurender A1 has its own built in dac.
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ |
Just purchased the Innuos Zen 3 with 1 TB of storage. Will use it with my SOTM TXUltrausb reclocker and SOTM 500 power supply.
Hopefully will get it mid February. |
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Thanks thyname. The dealer let me use a Roon Nucleus until the Zen 3 is in. I love how simple this unit is to use with a Roon and a Tidal. Took me 5 minutes! Nice.
However, the sound is just average and nothing special. My old tricked out Windows based computer with SOTM Usb card sounded better for sure. Sure hope the Zen 3 is a huge step up as I already sold my computer/server.
I wish a had a LPS to power the Nucleus. I bet that would help greatly. |
I want to feed my MSB Renderer with the best sounding Ethernet feed possible. I am looking at the isolated Ethernet approach used in the Aurender ACS10 and the Zenith MK3. Based strictly on sound over isolated ethernet, which of these three are best: - Aurender ACS10
- Zenith MK3 using Innuos’s software
- Zenith MK3 using Roon
Thanks. Paul |
If all I care about is sound quality (not interface) and I am looking to feed a MSB Renderer (no DSP use) overt ethernet, would people recommend Roon run on Innuos Zenith MK3 with isolated ethernet or the new Aurender ACS10 with double isolated ethernet?
Again the application is a server with ethernet output to Dac Renderer with no DSP where sound quality is only criteria.
Thanks! |
I had an old NUC around I hadn't been using - about a year ago I bought a Macbook Pro and the need for a windows based system is no longer needed. Today I updated the BIOS, formatted the drive and made the NUC into a Room Rock. I have the Room Rock connected to a Synology NAS drive, 2 4TB drives used exclusively for music. The library is slow to analyze and I have had to squelch the library processes to improve performance, but other than that I have had no issues with streaming.
I have integrated my Sonos Connects and will use those in secondary listening areas. For my main listening room I haven't completely figured that out. I have a resolution cantata that is not Room compliant, but that doesn't mean it won't work - just not tested. I will experiment with that and see if I can integrate.
My initial thought after 1 day is it is a lot of $ for the info Roon provides. It definitely improves upon the streaming experience, but it is still streaming and I find myself putting the music on and not using Roon's features.
I suppose streaming will never be as intimate as vinyl where I consciously grab a record, choose side A or B, look at the cover art, read the liners and then either flip, put away, or chose a new record in 15-20 minutes.
I spoke to soon - After 4 hours of streaming I get a message similar to , "Roon lost control of the audio device". I simply hit play
again and music started to stream. Doing a quick google search this seems to occur quite often. I have 13 more days to analyze, but will not keep if Roon is at all fiddly.
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In case anyone is interested, I was able to integrate Sonos connects without issue after messing with for a couple of days. In short, connects should run wireless and not share the same router (wired) as the Rock. I am not sure why that is, but I found this piece of advice on another forum. Also I changed the wireless channel of the connects. Once those 2 steps occurred I have not had any issues. IN fact, the queuing up of music is extremely fast, much faster than Sonos UI.
Thus far I really like Roon.
Now the dilemma of if I should get a MQA/DSD capable DAC.
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