Can't we all just get along?


I have not been a member for a very long time, and joined Agon to discuss audio with others in my hobby. Seems to me that almost every post devolves into a hijacked  negative argument between a few members that seem to think it's their platform to preach their opinions to any who would listen, and any dissent to what they have to say is met with ridicule/insults, and just downright rudeness.

There will always be differences in opinion, BUT, we can be civilized in how we disagree.

There is already too much negativity in the world. Is it not possible to insulate that from our hobby in this forum, or is this what we have become? Hiding behind our keyboards and not having the courtesy to treat our fellow audio lovers with decency, open-mindedness, and RESPECT !


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Showing 5 responses by blindjim


@Crazyeddy > I can assure you that they would be seeing the dentist the next day

Blindjim > the issue there is that the exact same people would not act the exact same way in person. I’d bet on it.

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@Whart > Many were these meek individuals in person, but had an entirely different persona behind a keyboard.
> people don’t intend to sound snarky or harsh, but it comes off that way. (True of email too

Blindjimn > exactlyI said that in another post recently. Thanks for saying it here.

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Taking the high road is the key IMHO. It is difficult though to ignore blasts from the ill informed or missed inference which explodes from someone not realizing only a portion of a post was pertinent to them, yet they respond as if all of it was directed right at them. Or are goaded into flaming on from their other ill informed cronies..

It was not this way in the past. Anger is an attribute of displayed fear. We fear what we don’t know or are unfamiliar.

Although a plane did not abruptly land in my back yard, nor could it unless it came in nose first straight down, I’ve had some real issues with junkies or crack heads openly selling dope on the corner near my house, or right in front of it at times. Braking into the abandoned house next door routinely for whatever purposes.

I report idiots like these as it is necessary. They don’t care for that at all and have caused me enormous strife for an extended period.

3 times while I was home, these fools tried busting down my door to get in. all I had to defend myself with was a broom at first. It’s a little different now and I think they know it.

It sucks to sleep on the floor. Or with a weapon. Or be armed to just walk out to the road to check your snail mail.

The worst part of it is how long the stress from those invasions lasts. Astonishingly long in fact.

Standing up to the dopers finally got them out of my hair two years later on. Not the local authorities.

Last Friday night, 12.30am, four people began banging on my doors and windows. Yelling and screaming! Get up? Your house is on fire!!

What? Fire? Seriously? Holy…..

I get to the main entryway with a strong deterrent at my side and yell back asking who is there? Voices say Deputies!

They didn’t sound like crack heads so I slid the deterrant under a chair cushion and opened the door. Sure enough. Cops. Many of them saying get out of the house! Its on fire!

Well, crap. Where? Where’s the fire? I said.

They said by the door!

I was doing laundry. Running the dryer. It was about 40F and clouds of condensate was pouring out of the vent. This is what someone mistook as smoke from a house on fire and called the cops. Then two fire wagons pulled up and another wave of responders barged in throwing things around going thru the whole house. Shheessh.

What a mess they made. What a trip.

Now my dryer knows I hate it. Why? Because it is silently, covertly shrinking my clothes.

The evidence is overwhelming. All I want is a sincere apology. It stubbornly stands on the fifth and refuses to incriminate itself. Won’t say a word. Nada.

Knowing my dislike for the appliance is strong, I’ll bet it took the opportunity to billow out more smoke like clouds than usual, just to attract attention and ruin my evening!

Despite the fact there may be a small point of possible culpability on my behalf, I’m gonna focus my ire on the dryer. It works for me. Dumb dryer!! Probably would have been a life long criminal were it human.


@crazyeddy > have you considered that your dryer may perhaps be in league with these scoundrels ?? Trying to get you out of your house.....

Blindjim > I’m uncertain at this point if the Maytag is ‘possessed’. I feel it is simply cruel. Albeit, I’m not blameless either. Keeping cookies out of the office would help keep the clothes from shrinking, I think. Maybe. Lil’ bit.

The Thugs used to bang on the windows, ring the doorbells, even start fires in the trash cans, all to get me to come out and ‘play’. If I lived in TX, I would have. Here, its another story so I wait for them inside.

Adding exterior lighting, and a monitored security system helped.

I’m pretty sure taking a couple hours to clean one of my larger deterrents while sitting on my porch in plain view of these idiots sent a fairly clear message. That, and knowing some people in my local law enforcement administration ultimately culled the heard… or has, thus far. I think.

Fingers crossed!!

Thanks.
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@asvjerry > you might have to engage in some 'creative interior decoration'....

Blindjim > things have certainly changed. Inside and out. One might call it decorating. Thanks for the ideas.
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@kosst_amojan > Can somebody explain to me how this topic is technical talk? Would I be mistaken in thinking these threads are just soap boxes?

Blindjim > these things come in waves. Maybe the next wave will drag us back onto the technical rationale of the human experience as it exists under duress and enormous stresses. The soapboxes are only there to keep our heads above the prevailing water levels the inadvertent flooding has provided.

. All work and no play ….. we all know that one and how it turns out.
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Everyone has this option:
Skip what this or that person’s remarks are when they see their handle in a thread.

Or…

We could all simply lighten up a bit and practice tolerance.

Interjecting or trying to infuse a bit of humor isn’t a bad thing at all. Anything however can become monotonous and eventually disparaging if it becomes chronic, inane, or mindless.

Texture. Its how much or how little we reveal ourselves to others that adds depth and feeling to the discourse at hand.

Reading how many electrons move or don’t move, how deep the bit depth is, or how extended the dynamic range is with this sampling rate or that, without relief at all, is boring stuff.

IMHO, Reading another person’s experiences with this or that, and how they merged or set it up here or there, now that has more tangibility. Its easier to relate to practical things than sheer theory and self declared specifications for this piece or that.
Another member made a significant point recently on these pages as they said, to know the review or device best one should find out about the writer or designer.


@crazyeddy

Thanks. made sense to me.

FYI
revealing and or supporting your words with your own work history can be as quickly or capriciously dismissed as was the time it took you to type it... by some. Similarly, current personal events can be as reflectively oneroused by a few.

as was said , Thicker skins should be worn in toxic environments as we search for precious stones.

Viridian > I have had posts removed, and been censured by our moderators, presumably at the behest of other members

Blindjim > I don’t know exactly how to ask a moderator to delete a members post. In fact I had to ask another member to contact Admin for me a good while back on another matter as I could not navigate the page well enough.

I do know for a fact, moderators will act entirely on their own volition to delete posts or threads without any feedback or request from members.

Everything we do has consequences. Some good, some not good. If I felt I needed to beat a drum for whatever reason and my thoughts were being erased, I’d reconsider how I presented them. But that’s just me.

As for the qualifications to share experiences and opinions, Randy just said it pretty well. I’d only add it takes no scholarly education to provide either one or at any time, or for any subject.

I’d not forget, this is a social forum, not a clinical project or strategic think tank and as such, the bar for membership is low.

Setting unrealistic expectations upon those who wish to be helpful will very likely amount to increased internal aggravation and irritation.

The bar for social decorum within forums is lowered by whomever believes it is OK or even necessary to act discordantly, disrespectfully or inconsiderately among their fellows. Again, that’s just my two cents.

Saying what I mean, meaning what I say, and not saying it mean, usually directs traffic down a smoother broader highway.

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Asvjerry > "Do we Always have to speak of 'things Audio' Constantly?"

Blindjim > I hope not.
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When folks talk about baseball, no one expects them to have been a former MLB batting champion, major league ball club Manageer, pitching coach, or professional player.

With cars people talk about which is best, better, or worse without the need for any qualifications what so ever.

Cooking, model ship building, art, jewelry, cock roach racing, or herding cats takes no higher education to become an interest or devotion. It takes but a pot, some paint, or more than six cats. Yeah, it’s a small herd, but ya gotta start small with cat herds. Trust me.

IME its been proven time and again, people will always reveal themselves. At some point. In due course. Often it comes quite regularly with snipets of personal insights, historical inferences and professed biases and preferences. One only has to pay attention to see how ernest, sincere, or maybe ‘qualified’ someone is on any given subject.

Beyond all the White paper technical data is the application of the design or implementation of the theory. On these accounts many are qualified to respond. In fact, but a few are indeed able to account for particular combinations of equipment as their experiences have demonstrated. No designer, technician,dealer, distributor, or service agent regardless their credentials could ever supply commensurate useful information.

Sometimes to get out of a hole, a person needs someone who has been in that same hole before and found their way out.

It don’t take a geologist to know the lay of the land. Merely walking around it a good bit will suffice.


If a person chooses to buy a this or a that, it is their decision. No one else’.

I see input from others in those threads which ask for which this or where to from here, as spitballing for ideas outside of their own. Nothing more.

What someone does with those ideas is up to them. Who ever is paying the cost to be the boss is the ultimate trigger puller.

It used to amuse me how a thread would ask for options while including a couple of their own picks, and after all was sid and done, regardless of the outside feedbac,, the OP would opt for their own selections or something no one even mentioned! On the surface making the whole aspiration a waste of time essentially. But then firing a wad of dead presidents at some piece takes what it takes to decide. Usually its time.

Ready! Get set! Uh, well, er, go? It bes that way sometimes. For me anyhow. I’m a planner. Thinker aheader. I like to have an outline in place so at least I think I know where I’m headed.

As much as some here will profusely arbitrate and argue for their side of the coin, some will for all intents and purposes actually ‘demand’ (in essence) a certain item be chosen by the inquisitive poster. That is sheer nonsense and revelatory of a fairly unstable sort.

Being careful to ensure if I have a critter in the fight, or a dog in the hunt, is extremely grounding. Regularly, I do not.

As for keeping a list of current inventory abailable on this site, well, what if you are in the middle of replacing everything? Turning the sod completely over towards a new outfit? Your rig would look as scarce as hens teeth. Would or could it then, be seen as a lack of credentials?

As well, what if it has not been updated regularly? What too, if it is indeed, a ‘virtual’ system, and simply does not exist? What then? Are you a Audio deity, or merely deceitful? Or did you take the inference of virtual system verbatim? Posting what you desired or imagined.

Faith. Grain o salt. Supposition. Trust. Suspicion. All are in play now and then. The quickest way to dispel the false from the factual, is again, contacting the person and developing a dialogue. If I want to know more about what, or why someone says something, merely ask them. Publicly or via PM>

I heard a fella say once many years ago, during a visit to his shrink, “I’m finally able to let other people, be other people. ”

This is no small task. However, it does pay huge dividends, every time I can.