Dynavector cartridges, old and new

Dear chakster, Your (rich) buddy Nandric recently purchased

Allaerts MC 2 + Ikeda 9TT. He is now an poor ''buddy'' swearing

not to buy any cart whatever. However promises to our self

we usually neglect. But instead of those (very) short DV cantilevers

I also own Ikeda 9 C which is without cantilever . To me as good

as my beloved FR-7 fz. The only one which can seduce me is

the 9 REX. Alas nowhere to find.

Dear chakster, The story I know is different. According to this

story Prof. Hibino was very fond of Klipsch speakers but

not satisfy with dynamic performance of the existing (MC)

cartridges. So he designed his own. When he was in America

he visited Klipsch and demonstrated to him his cart. Klipsch was

so impressed that he ordered 4 kinds each with other cantilever

kind. The idea being that with different cantilever different

timbre can be achieved satisfying different subjective preferences.

Later on Hibino established his own company and produced the

same carts under his own brand ''Zenn''. I own ''Klipsch'' with

aluminum cantilever.

I don't think it is good idea to praise chakster to much. He

already  thinks to know everything better. He is actually ''second

Raul'' but we don't need an second Raul. The one we already

have is more than sufficient. Chakster is moving to the more

expensive stuff so we may get some interesting information

from him in the future (grin).

@chakster , I have no idea if Russian PayPal provide

warranty for items ''which are not as described'' but the

European  do. The only precondition is to pay via PayPal

for purchased items. Money transfer to family& friends are

not covered. The procedure is boring and annoying but

one get his money back. Actually this ''warranty'' is without

any risk for PayPal because the buyer money function

as warranty.

Dear chakster, each cantilever is glued in the so called ''joint pipe''

which is usually made from aluminum. On this ''pipe'' is also

coil glued. Together with the stylus they are also called ''moving

part'' of the cartridge. So we need to include the length of the ''pipe''

by the length  of whatever cantilever.  Then there is the question

if the stylus is glued in the diamond cantilever or if the whole

cantilever/stylus combo is made from one piece of diamond.

I own Sony XL 88 D (D=diamond) with cantilever/stylus combo

made from one piece of diamond. The stylus shape is , I think,

super elliptical. Anyway the ''exotic story'' about the ''exotic

cantilevers'' needs some moderation because of the aluminum

pipe (length) in which the exote's are glued (grin).

Addition, I forget my question for Lew. The friction caused

by interaction between stylus and groves produces heat

for which smaller diamonds are more ,say, ''vulnerable'' than

bigger kind. I assume that Newton should explain the

difference and also assume Lew as Newton expert. This may

explain the ''shorter lifetime'' of micro ridge styli ?

Dear chakster, Your ''argument'' remind me about our secretary

of  social affairs who stated the following: ''there are no  homo's

in our socialist society. But if there are they are in such small

numbers that is not worth mentioning''. So your Dyna has an

cantilever in which no stylus is glued but '' if''  then with very 

small amount of glue. The cantilevers ''as short and stiff as possible''

wil also not do. As I already mentioned my Ikeda 9CII has no

cantilever whatever while my Allaerts MC 2 has (boron) cantilever

of ''ordinary'' length + Gyger 2 (aka Van den Hul) stylus. Despite

of this ''huge disadvantage'' this is my best cart.

Dear chakster, It is not my intetion to get involved in disputes

about ''either or'' questions. Your Karat 17DS has clearly glued

stylus in the cantilever. The reason is simple. The combo is not

made from one piece of diamond. By one piece diamond the stylus

need to be grinded and polished ''in'' the cantilever , so to speak.

The so called ''rubber ring'' behind the coils has ''suspension''

as function. This function is called compliance. One of the so called

parametres by arm/cart combinations. I have no idea about

resonances in this connetion. Those can be tamed with resistor

networks. Reduction of the ''moving mass'' should not be

exaggerated. I own Ikeda 9 CII which is without cantilever. So

only the stylus moves . However my Allaerts MC 2 sounds better.

The problem of ''wholes and parts'' is obviously where to put

the border line and prevent this way the inclusion of the whole

universe (grin). However why should extension of cartridge

''subject'' include ''only'' the tonearm , TT and phono-pre?

I, for example, still consider speakers as the most important

''part'' of the whole (''system'') while avoiding or overlooking the

 most important part is obviously ''strange''. The case is, as I see

 this, that we assume implicit knowledge by others. This help to

keep the amount of our explicit statements in check. Otherwise

we will get ''endless'' Mexican stories (grin).

The other problem is the assumed ''difference'' between (MC)

carts. The usual assumption is that the whole construction is

''simple'' and nearly as old as its invention (by Ortofon?).

This problem is connected with our desire to see and describe

differences among ,uh, ''identical ''. ''The same construction''

imply some kind of ''indiscernibles''. The real problem is

''exaggeration'' of assumed differences. The so called

''marginal value addition'' suggest the ''same'' problem.

The most of us think that there must be technical ''reasons'' or

causes for cartridge different performance. But considering the fact

that (MC) ''technology'' is the same the reason why should be moved

to the designers/producers. To mention few: Ikeda , Takeda, J.Carr,

Van den Hul, Allaerts , Andreoli, Lukatschek (Benz), etc.

In this sense we should see designers as ''artist'' instead of

''technicians''.

I agree with Lew 's post from 06-30-20018 stating that ''exotic''

parts do not guarantee ''Nirvana''. But I will try to first make

our ''implicit'' conceptual presuppositions clear and than elaborate.

The first is the simple sentence form ''S is P''. The basic form

to ascribe properties to objects. The other is ''parts and wholes''

pre- conceptions. I think that we all can agree that without

comparison between cartridges we can't make any judgments.

However comparisons are relational  in logical sense while

''S is P'' sentence form is not suitable for relational descriptions.

Say ''brother'' is not some kind of property of an person but a

relation to some other person.

We can see that ''our'' chakster try to explain differences between

carts by their ''parts''. Say in the sense of Lew's ''exotic parts''.

He is very fond of ''diamond cantilevers'' which should be ''as

short as possible'' (grin) This is not my reproach but he admitted

to have an ''border line'' regarding cart prices. I don't believe

that prices have necessary relation to sound quality but what

we call ''the top kind '' are usually pretty expensive .Anyway

chakster limited himself in the sense of ''extension of his

comparisons''.  This limitation is , say, ''financial'' which is in my

case ,say, of less importance. So I was able to buy Allaerts

MC2 which provide pretty strong arguments against ''exotic

parts'' reasoning. There is nothing special by this cart in the

sense of ''parts''. The cart is conventional even old fashioned.

But look at its technical specs and you will not believe your

own eye. There is no other cart that can come close.