German Physiks - Listening Impressions Wanted


I would like to hear from folks that either own or have heard any of the German Physiks Speakers,
preferably the Carbon or Borderland.Both being MK 4 versions with the latest triple D drivers.

I have either one of these unique speakers near the top of my short list but with too many unknowns with a speaker this expensive,I will probably have to make a trip to see Larry owner of Distinctive Stereo and get a good look and demo.

The HRS-120 might be a candidate also at a lesser price point.

Kenny.
kdude66

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I have heard two models, the Unlimited (now discontinued, IIRC) and the Borderland Mk IV, on separate occasions at Distinctive Stereo in River Vale, NJ (the U.S. distributor for GP).  Disclaimer:  I am a happy Ohm Walsh 2000 owner (since 2009), and I adore the omni style of loudspeakers for what they do in general.  The GPs are my dream speaker, in that they take the Ohm Walsh concept, and basically remove a lot of the cost constraints that Ohm's John Strohbeen works with to create more affordable omni designs.  The GPs are simply wonderful.  Smooth, yet detailed, great imaging, yet they disappear as a sound source into a massive 3-D soundstage.  Good bass (although I am a bass freak who would never be without subs).  Amazing dynamic range, both macro and micro, and the transient detail is Goldilocks - enough to sound real, but without shoving them down your throat.   But I will say that hearing them gave me new appreciation for my Ohms, in that they do a lot of the things the GPs do, albeit not quite as well in any area, for a fraction of the price.  But I will keep buying lottery tickets.  You never know!

Kenny - All the information on current and recent Ohm speakers you could possibly want is on this huge Audiogon thread -

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/ohm-walsh-micro-talls-who-s-actually-heard-em

It’s a long slog, but if you want a feel for what the Ohm’s are like, the only thing that would be more helpful would be an in-home demo (Ohm offers a 120-day in home trial, but you lose the round-trip shipping). Mapman may disagree, but I have long called my 2000s the "poor man’s German Physiks or MBL Radialstrahler". But the gap in sound, IMHO, is not nearly as large as the gap in price.

@audiotroy - Exactly. The reason I suggested the OP read through that huge Ohm Walsh thread was to get a feel for the kind of audiophile that likes the omni presentation, the pros and cons of it. It was that thread that lead me to try an in-home demo of the Ohms. For my taste, there was enough image specificity. There might not be enough for everyone.


I do beg to differ on the room treatment issue with omnis, though. Too much absorption defeats the whole point of an omni. The sound is supposed to bounce off the room surfaces; that is what creates the large soundstage. In my room, singers are properly sized on good recordings, with the singer’s apparent hieght at about 5.5’. They may produce images a little larger than life, but I prefer that to the miniaturized images many speakers produce. I actually have removed some of the absorption panels I had up from when I had more conventional dynamic speakers. I have a 60" plasma TV behind and in the middle of the Ohms. Covering this with a thick blanket actually sounds worse than just leaving it alone. I do plan on adding more diffusion, since my room is smaller than I would like, but the point is, I think, that as long as they are not too close to the adjacent walls, omnis should be allowed to bounce their sound off of them.


I would never expect an audio reviewer to use omnis as a review tool. Dispassionate neutrality is not really what omnis and their fans are all about. As JV of TAS would say, these are speakers by and for the "as you like it" crowd. I make no apologies for being a part of that crowd. I hear a lot of loudspeakers in the course of a year, and with rare exceptions, none of them that I can afford appeal to me as much as my Ohms. After all, if there were only one "correct" speaker, eveyone would own the same thing. But everyone hears differently and, as you said, values different aspects of reproduced sound differently.

@kdude66 - Where are you located?  You never know when aother audiogoner near you has a speaker you'd like to hear.  I have opened my doors to people who want to hear Ohms in my area.
@kdude66  - Tulsa, eh?  Well, all I can suggest is that you contact John Strohbeen at Ohm and/or Larry Borden at Distinctive Stereo.  Maybe they can reach out to someone in your area who owns these speakers and see if they'd be willing to invite you in for a demo.  You never know.
@phusis - I don’t dispute that you heard what you heard when you listened to the HRS-120. I would only mention that, I think, GP has made significant revisions to its DDD driver, and I think the HRS-120 included an older version. When I heard the speakers, also in a very large space, both the Limiteds and the Borderlands (both with the current version of the DDD drivers) were very dynamic, engaging and life-like. Of course, there were many other variables, and YMMV. I also think that omnis vary in their sonic character just as much as dynamic or panel speakers do. There are dozens of variables, so I would not judge all omnis by the HRS-120 anymore than I would judge all dynamic speakers from hearing just one of them. There may be general family resemblances, but they can sound quite different from one another.
Not a bad idea, and they look pretty clean.  Just look around at the big auction site, where many pairs are offered at much lower prices (although not this model, and not in as good a shape as these).