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Oh yeah, "incredible" is the word that always comes to my mind when I hear Swedes playing Dixieland jazz. |
As good as the SACD of "Pawnshop" might be, I have it on vinyl and CD. The atmospherics of the vinyl are a "you are there" experience. IMHO, these Swedes do quite well with the American idiom. |
Riley, thanks for the search. I had found it on line but didn't know which volume to get. My player doesn't play sacds to there potential so I was looking for a red book.
Viridian, I'm always glad to know there's still assholes left in the world.
Hifiman, what you're talking about is the reason I'm searching for the cd. It's hard to find music that puts you there anymore. I have a Kieth Jarret Trio cd that's live recorded and it puts you right in the audiance. Glad to know you understand. I don't have a turntable to play vinyl on , but my music room is treated and my system is very three dimensional. Thank's for your input. |
I think FIM may have this, they have Three Blind Mice recordings as well. Japanese jazz recordings that are also very good. I have a couple of different LP editions and the older CD one, if you can get a premium CD that would be the way to go. A great bargain is the three CD set by Rob Wassermann. $16.95 for some of the best sound you can get. The duet with Jennifer Warnes of Ballad of a Runaway Horse is better than the version on "Famous Blur Raincoat" and is used by many to set up their speakers. |
Here is the one I would get but be warned, it is $65 for a 2 CD set. But I would get one myself if I didn't already have it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Jazz-at-the-Pawnshop-FIM-K2HD-K2-HD-Mastering-2-CD-New_W0QQitemZ120526627789QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_CDs?hash=item1c0ff263cd#ht_3693wt_962 |
Stanwal, could you send me a link on that set. I'm very interested in the $16.95 price point. I'm not familiar with Rob Wassermann but I like the live unprocessed recordings that have just a couple of mikes on stage, and you get natural depth and width.
I picked up this one from ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290418953224&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
It's a Prophone recording from Sweden. It was recorded in 1996 and I'm hoping it sounds good. Thanks for your help. zman |
vir you hit the nail on the head. the best one to buy is any johnny cash on american or any label for that matter |
Mine is the Proprius PRCD 7778 CD that I purchased at Quintessence Audio Ltd (Naperville, Illinois) over 20 years ago.
Mine is one CD containing 9 songs that were recorded at the Stampen Jazzclub (Stockholm)in 1976. |
I didn't know Johnny Cash played Dixieland Jazz. I guess you learn something new every day. |
Viridian, I owe you an apology. I shouldn't have said something so harsh when you were just being humerous. I'm sorry and hope you can forgive me. My actions were unbecoming.
I'm sorry to all that read this thread and hope you can forgive me. zman |
Zman, thank you, but your apology is unwarrented. Actually, you are quite correct, I am an asshole. But now that we've gotten that out of the way, I think that your ad hominem criticism missed the central point of my corrosive jibe. And that is, if you are interested in sound, this is a fabulous album to own, and I speak from first hand experience, owning a very early LP pressing.
However if you are interested in music, and Dixieland in particular, the playing here is not to a high standard. Although Dixieland jazz has somewhat gone out of vogue, the best of the idiom is as transcendental in it's nature as any music ever made. For those interested in experiencing the music, the unfortunate part is that it was born into the turn of the 20th century, and much of the best, and most illuminating, performances are both in mono and in low fidelity. That said, it is only necessary to hear Louis Armstrongs All Stars, or his Hot Fives and Hot Sevens to see that this music has a soul that burns very brightly indeed. Even the very earliest Dixieland recordings such as the much played "Tiger Rag" by the Original Dixieland Jazz band, from which, I believe Dixieland got it's name, are just fantastic. The resurgance of Dixieland in the 1960s also brought the excellent recordings from New Orleans' Preservation Hall. The Sweet Emma being among my favorites.
But I suppose, in the greater context, we shoud be thankful for the JATP stuff as it might be the gateway drug to get people to listen to the classic Dixieland performances, in the way that Diana Krall might lead to Billie Holiday or Boones Farm might lead to Chateau Margaux. And, of course none of this should diminish the excellent audio engineering that is displayed on the JATP discs, as it is top rate. In fact, for those that want this great recorded quality wedded to marvelous music, and have a taste for choral music, two other Proprius recordings can be heartily recommended, Kor and Cantate Domino. |
Thank you for your input Viridian, I need to get into more of the raw recordings. I'm gradually leaning in that direction due to a dear friend that has introduced me into the more raw jazz. I've always liked the smooth jazz stuff. But it's an aquired taste that I'm finally getting for the good stuff. My friend told me after I shared the "you are there" experience I had with Kieth Jarrett, about the same experience that the JATP cd may hold. I'm interested in any well recorded album that has that sound to it. I'll look up some of the recommendations you have supplied. Thank you. |
I think I'd probably agree with Viridian. Though it is a remarkable, atmospheric, live recording to be sure, it is not the last word in that genre of Jazz and probably has more merit as an "audiophile" recording rendering spacial cues and atmosphere to a degree that can raise the hairs on the back of your neck when paired with the right system. As far as the music goes it is a bit ho-hum to me. In the mid 80's it was as overplayed and overhyped as Dire Straits and I really got sick of hearing both of them. |
Damn those Swedes for including ONE so called "Dixieland" tune in a collection of live performances that could only be called "Mainstream" by the most uneducated Jazz listeners.The majority of the performances on those discs are standards or Jazz originals,some decades removed from the 1920's penned "Struttin' with some BBQ".Far from the most compelling recordings by either Arne Domnerus or Bengt Hallberg,these two fine players have been honing their craft in the shadows of the great Americans since the early 1950's and have a trove of outstanding recordings to prove it.I thought we were beyond the debilitating arrogance of "American Jazz" and that we are sharing our amazing gift with the world and embracing those that are true to the art,making it a truly international music that originated in the United States.The ugly American has returned. |
Note to self...true Dixieland is for assholes. |
hmm . . . I started watching this thread with interest in picking up the JatPS. It's turned into one of the more entertaining threads this year though . . . |
I've heard an LP and an SACD of J@PS in succession. IMO the SACD delivers the sense of ambience as well as the LP, and both are great at portraying that sense. Funny, though, I never would have characterized the music as Dixieland. I'll listen to it again with that in mind.
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I recieved my J@PS cd today and warmed up the tubes on my Almarro 318B. After 30 min. I inserted the disc and was not dissapointed. The imaging was beautiful. The music was very pleasing. In the intro of most of the songs the music didn't overwhelm the audiance and the atmosphere was holographic. Very soothing. Thanks to all for helping in my decision. If you like this type of music, I would recommend this album to anyone.
John |
You want to know the best? The one we have on tape! |
