Below is Frogmans statement in regard to the music posted. "the recently posted "Live At The Lighthouse". Whose idea was it to hire Claude Bartee for that recording? Who knows. But it was not a good choice; he sounds absolutely awful on soprano saxophone. I can see a scenario where label executives would decide to not release a recording like that because there was so much other music in a similar bag being released by them or other labels. I hate posting recordings of what I consider inferior music, but simply to make a point here is a recording that, to my way of thinking, one has to wonder "what where they thinking?"; and almost twenty minutes of it!! Terrible horn arrangements. Sometimes artists make bad choices; sometimes producers make bad choices or decisions. Simple as that." Here are two jams I posted 04-28-16. This is the music Frogman referred to as "inferior". While this music is "inferior" to Frogman, I don't like it any less because of his judgment; if anything, I like it even more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW_YbNKAXfA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC0qN0SquJM Enjoy the music. |
I don't pay any attention to those categories in regard to jazz (soul jazz) What's that? I'm not going to clutter my mind trying to define it. If you listen close to Grant Greens guitar, (Boss Jazz) is the only kind it (his guitar) knows how to play; and you can tell that from the sounds coming from the audience at "The Lighthouse".
No one comes between me and my music, not even my darling wife; right now I'm listening to "Flood in Franklin Park" and it's kicking, and cooking. Everybody is getting into the act: that organ is smoking, give the drummer some, cause he done kicked it up a notch, don't play that cat on the horn cheap; everybody made outstanding contributions on that cut, even the audience.
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Rok, I've got almost all of Grant Greens CD's, and the one I like the least is "King Funk", but we ordered that for Donald Byrd, and not Grant Green, if you remember; consequently, that's good to.
Grant is a very creative artist, and you wont get stuck in a rut with him. I've only got two records, "Live At The Lighthouse", and "The Final Comedown" which is radically different, and I like it, but it didn't suit your taste; so almost everything except that. The best way to go about this, is to sample on "you tube" and get what you like that you don't have.
I've got so many that I forget what I got, and since I don't have them in any kind of order, it would be a job to find out what I got; if that makes any sense. He's the only artist that I didn't run into a brick wall with, meaning this sounds just like the last one; consequently, you wont buy anything that you'll regret having bought.
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Frogman, by the process of deduction, we know it wasn't because they were inferior recordings, and "Live At The Lighthouse" wasn't even in the mix of possibilities that were not released. Since we know the recordings that were not released during his lifetime, all you have to do is evaluate them.
It has been stated that his "best" recordings were not released. While you say you're not a conspiracy theorist; what kind of theorist are you? After you discover the "inferior record" statement was a flat out "Lie"; what's left?
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Rok, facts make their own point, do you remember "The facts mam, nothing but the facts" that's all. Once the facts are gathered, you be the judge.
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Fact 1. Blue Note had so many "junky musicians" that Horace Silver quit working at Blue Note.
Now it's time for a question; why did Blue Note have so many junky musicians?
Fact 2. Grant Greens best records were not released in his life time. While that has been asserted by others; you're an "aficionado", meaning if you were to evaluate the records, you would know whether or not they were inferior. If you don't feel you are capable of that, then you're on the wrong thread.
Fact 3. These so called "inferior records" wound up in Japan; did they walk?
Fact 1. + fact 2. + fact 3. = Blue Note's bottom line. They sold those records to Japan, with the stipulation, that they not be released for American consumption until after Grant Green was dead.
The reason for fact 1 is because a "junky" would sell his mama for a fix. Blue Note also had the best jazz musicians. I know Grant Green was a boss jazz musician before he went to work for Blue Note. I do not know anything about Grant Green being a junky before he went to Blue Note. St. Louis is not a big town when it comes to the grapevine, a secret like that is almost impossible to keep.
Blue Note almost kidnapped Grant Green; one listen and they knew he was boss; jazz was in his soul; I know I witnessed it personally, many times.
"Junky" jazz musicians who are some of the very best, who will sign almost anything when their "Jones come down" "Ma jones coming down on me"
There it is Rok, and I didn't even have to multiply or do "long division".
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Frogman, I will most certainly drink to both of those.
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Rok, would you please read that post again. Maybe you can answer how the records got to Japan. What the holy smoly does Prince have to do with Grant Green, Since you threw in The Beatles, why quit there, lets throw in the Pope.
Just because he was from St Louis and had a rough life does not make his music any more than what it is.
Who said he had a rough life? Bush of the beer Bushes is from St. Louis; everybody from St. Louis did not have a rough life. What's a rough life got to do with his music? Miles Davis is from St. Louis, and his daddy was a dentist; Miles got almost anything he wanted. His daddy paid for Juilliard school of music plus expenses, he was from St. Louis. I don't get the connection of music and rough life, could you elaborate?
In regard to staying focused, I can plainly see that; you're not focused enough for me to know what you're talking about.
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Now that you've made the Prince connection, can you make the Pope connection?
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Race and jazz: Art Pepper overheard some jive turkeys putting him down because he was white, and since he had heard that the word on the street was the ultimate word, he assumed this was it. While this is true, it's the word on the streets of New York, Chicago, and all major cities where jazz is heard. When he played with "The Rhythm Section" that should have settled his allegations of reverse racism, as well as shut down any African American claims that he was a lesser jazz artist than many other African American jazz artist. As far as I'm concerned it did. (plus I like his jazz) Chet Baker: There is a lot of controversy that swirls around Chet Baker, and my personal opinion wont help it any. Maybe this will settle it. https://artmodel.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/jazz-art-context-and-iconography/Enjoy the music. |
Jafant, I pretty much agree with the article and Frogman, but I think you are asking the question on an intensely personal level, and I say "It's a trumpet man, quit pussyfooting around and blow the thing".
If I could ask Chet a Question, it would be "Why do you keep jiving around with people everybody else knows not to mess with? They will hurt you."
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Frogman, and Rok, I never realized how good Grant Green's records were until now. I knew he was a good jazz musician, but I didn't realize how good until now. Maybe it's because I had heard him live without paying a fortune.
I don't know when or how he became a "junky"; I "strongly suspect" it had something to do with his associates at Blue Note records. Why did they, the junkys that is, wind up "poverty stricken"? Although they were some of the most talented jazz musicians who ever lived, they wound up poverty stricken. One of the reasons for certain is; they became junkys, but junkys with good business managers don't become "poverty stricken"; therefore I advise all junkys to get good business managers, and set a little aside for that "need a fix bad" day.
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Rok, I don't know Grant Green the person, any more than you do, but I know Grant Greens music; it speaks to me. Out of all of Grant's music that I have ever heard; live and otherwise, I like "The Latin Bit" the least, it's just not him.
After I wrote that, I went to "Wikipedia" and this is what they had to say;
"This CD always yielded mixed results for staunch fans of Green"
Can you believe that?
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This is specially for you Frogman, since you're equating "soul" in mathematical terms, I'm going to give you some "super soul". In order to capture the nuance on this one cut "Blue Funk", I first had to get to the "high end of the high end"; 45 RPM vinyl, Sota Saphire, modified Rega Tonearm, Grado Sonata cartridge. Grado is sneered on here because they wouldn't recognize soul if it bit em in the ass. Tube pre and amp is a must. Any speakers that have good solid midrange and bass are sufficient; soul is source critical. This is not about having the deepest pockets, but about selecting the best components for the job. This is the LP; [url] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUnID70IU-g&list=RDzUnID70IU-g#t=563[/url]I'll get back to you next year when you have the mathematical calculation. Enjoy the music. |
Rok, with Rachelle Ferrell I had to quit looking at her over the top facial expressions, and scratch the fact she was singing "Autumn Leaves" and "scatin". When I turned away from the computer and listened to her voice as a musical instrument, she got A+; but I had to go through a lot of changes. With the "Bey Sisters"; can you say "stereotypical", I knew you could. That means to use something that's been used too many times before; it was not original. It reminded me of an entirely different song; [url] http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/graph/63031[/url]Andy Bey by himself did a lot better; he's singing a standard like a standard is supposed to be sung by bringing out the meaning and emotion that goes with the song; and as my teacher used to say; "This is the last time I'm gonna tell you this', [url] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXwcazvrnko[/url]Enjoy the music. |
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Alex, you have demonstrated the versatility of Milt Jackson; he was the best, especially when you consider how he switched from the "clinical" MJQ to the soulful side of Ray Charles. There is also a "Bags and Trane" album that gives us yet another facet of "Bags", as he was affectionately known.
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Sometimes things go so well together that you can't have one without the other: peanut butter and jelly; ham and eggs; beans and cornbread; well anyway you get my drift. There are jazz musicians who go together in this fashion: Donald Byrd and Pepper Adams; Jimmy Smith and Kenny Burrell. Now I'm going to give you "Motorin Along" with Mr. Smith and Kenny Burrell; [url] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUVDk0BCYxs[/url]Enjoy the music. |
Acman, you're absolutely correct; I know because I is listening to it right now; therefore it is an is, just like you say.
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Rok, if the good Lord put that load on you, you can bear it; I got faith in you, just remember Job in the Bible, he was rewarded.
You can carry on, just don't forget to enjoy the music while going through these trials and tribulations.
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Schubert, you listen to classical as much as I listen to jazz. Taste in music is primarily a result of the culture you were exposed to.
Your comment in regard to rap, hit the nail dead on the head; they asked for it and you gave it to them. Talking to "MOE-RONS" is a waste of time; racism has manipulated them into putting a noose around the "serf" classes neck, since they only understand black and white, they wouldn't understand that. At any rate, it's game over for the "serf" class.
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Rok, believe it or not, I was reading your post"..............More in a minute have to change to music before Shepp drives me nuts!" And that's when I discovered what that noise in the background was; what's Frogman trying to do to us?
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Frogman, my musical palette is not locked in the past, "Charenee Wade" is my most recent acquisition; the subject matter of her music is "singing of a more complicated urban existence"; no, this is not "rapping" about an urban existence, this is singing top notch jazz with some of the best "new" jazz musicians I've heard. This music was inspired by Gil Scott Heron; most people only remember "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised", he was a very young naive man when he put that out, now he's much older and see's the real complications of the urban existence. But beyond that, this is beautiful thoughtful music that can be listened to many times. The urban existence is infinitely more complex than it was when Gil came to prominence in the 60's, but Charenee sings of hope that was inspired by Gil Scott Heron in his most recent life. The music provided that accompanies her is every bit as beautiful as Charenee Wade's voice. I've posted this more than once, why have you failed to acknowledge it Frogman? [url] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JabrQh5vql4[/url]Enjoy the music. |
This is the day after an all night stand of partying, and nobody wanted to go home; it's around 7 AM and here we are sitting around "Maude's Flat", "whipped" meaning too tired, but not wanting to go home. There's a guy there I call "Rapscallion" because he's forever rapping, and everybody is listening because he's the only person with enough energy to rapp. Nobody knows what he's talking about, but he's talking fast and hip; consequently, it must be about something, but nobody has the mental agility to figure out what it is. BLUES IN MAUD'S FLAT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuJKFQ-OqPoEnjoy the music. |
Alex I appreciate you coming out in my favor, but I have totally disregarded them dudes in regard to "Grant Green". I'm trying to find out what the recording quality is on "The Complete Blue Note recordings of Grant Green with Sonny Clark"
Once before I got a long compilation of Chico Hamilton's albums, that had lousy recording quality. I got a 3 sound compilation with the same problem. It's a waste of time and money to get anything with lousy recording quality.
I want all 0f those albums that were released late and went to Japan, those are the ones I don't have. Let me know if you got a lead on those.
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Alex, you are officially one of the original aficionados, therefore what ever you say is important "is important". We write the rules here.
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House party is definitely one of the best jams ever; I believe I could make a hit record with the lineup like he had on that one. Good times forever! Keep em comin.
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I asked this guy "qdrone" what stuff to avoid buying by Grant Green because he said it was inferior. This is what he posted 01-23-2011 at 1:29PM;
Qdrone, could you name the stuff to avoid, I would like to buy it.
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Anything that says never released or only released in Japan. Or in box sets where you have newly discovered tracks (Mosiac has one or two sets with Green) I actualy posted for everyone to understand the times these recordings were made,heroin was problem among many musicians,I'm sorry that your so full of yourself that you thought i was just responding to you.
Maybe "Qdrone" changed his moniker, or left, I haven't seen him in a long time; but that was stuff to avoid.
llMusic Review by Stephen Thomas Erlewine [-]
Mosaic released a four-disc box set titled The Complete Blue Note With Sonny Clark in 1991, rounding up everything that the guitarist and pianist recorded together between 1961 and 1962. Blue Note's 1997 version of the set, The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark, trims Mosaic's collection by two discs, offering only the quartet sessions (the Ike Quebec sessions, Born to Be Blue and Blue and Sentimental, are available on individual discs). In some ways, this actually results in a more unified set, since it puts Green and Clark directly in the spotlight, with no saxophone to complete for solos, but it doesn't really matter if the music is presented as this double-disc set, the four-disc box, or the individual albums -- this is superb music, showcasing the guitarist and pianist at their very best. All of the sessions are straight-ahead bop but the music has a gentle, relaxed vibe that makes it warm, intimate, and accessible. Grant and Clark's mastery is subtle -- the music is so enjoyable, you may not notice the deftness of their improvisation and technique -- but that invests the music with the grace, style, and emotion that distinguishes The Complete Quartets. Small group hard bop rarely comes any better than this.
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Rok, and Frogman, we seem to have some contradiction here; could you guys help me out, I don't know what to do.
Somewhere I saw the Mosaic sets were the ones to own, but Qdrone said these were the ones to avoid, because "junky" Grant Green had made inferior music that could not be released, and he got that from very reliable sources. Now we find all that music "walked" to Japan; is that right Rok? That was the music that you said was not released, and what's the problem everybody has music that wasn't released.
My way of saying, that if GAME CHANGERS, like Prince, The Beatles and probably every artist that has ever recorded, including Elvis, Chuck Berry and Miles, can have unreleased material, what is the big deal about a run of the mill R&G guitar player from St Louis having the same?
Now I am really confused; someone said avoid the inferior junky music, meaning the Mosaic boxed sets, someone else says "So what", I'm still saying the same thing I said on 01-23-2011, and I'm still trying to track that music down so I can buy it.
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You two "Snarky Puppies" are not fooling anybody; you use to speak for Learsfool, now you're speaking for Rok, and neither one of you completely responded to Alex's post, and now you don't respond to mine, when all I'm trying to do is get the lies in regard to Grant Green's music straight so that I can buy the right CD's.
When I show you a review of the disputed music, you say I'm running a Grant Green fan club, when all I want is just a little friendly advice.
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Frogman, you might as not even read my post, because you write anything you want anyway, that has no relation to my post.
My last post was about "records"; those are the things that existed before CD's were invented. They were in Japan before Grant Green died; they were in the hands of Japanese collectors, while fans like me were unaware of their very existence, how do you explain that? We did not know about their existence till after Grant Green was dead and long buried.
Now I guess you and Rok will give me a perfectly good explanation that will include Prince, Elvis, Miles, Chuck Berry, and you might as well throw in the Pope. Now you say you're not concerned about records when that's exactly what my post was about. Since you and Rok are in lockstep, you can answer for him.
I saw Grant Green the person many times, I even talked to him face to face, I liked his music very much, I should have been able to purchase his records; they should have been in my collection, not some Japanese collection. The question is why? Why were they not available for purchase in the United States where the man lived and died, where Rok who is so patriotic that if I say anything that might hint at failure of the government is all over me, but he doesn't see anything wrong with records that were not made available to citizens of this country, but were made available to citizens of Japan.
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Frogman, the subject is "records"; they are those black disks we used to play before CD's, remember them? They were supposed to have been unfit for release. Now we find they were among the best Grant Green ever made. If they had been released here in the United States, Grant Green might still be alive, he was just a little older than me, and I'm still kicking, unless this is a ghostwriter post.
He left his hospital bed, against the doctor's orders, to perform, because he needed the money. Now you and Rok argued that since Blue Note's bottom line was money, if the records had been any good they would have been released; now we find they were released for "Japanese" consumption. Apparently Blue Note's bottom line, and Grant Green's bottom line were not in harmony.
Now I know you and Rok want to move on. After you and Rok respond with some sensible answers we can move on; but I'm not going to gloss over the injustice that Grant Green suffered.
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Frogman, the definition of "Aficionado" is so very simple: a person who likes, knows about, and fervently pursues an activity or interest; in this case "jazz records". Is there anything else I can help you with?
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If that post was supposed to be a response to my post, it's the silliest you ever made.
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Rok, I don't think it was as much an outrage as the Grant Green outrage; not only was he denied what was due him for producing the music, I was denied the pleasure of having those records in my collection, I was denied the pleasure of listening to some of his best music. He was one of the very few artists that I had met and talked to, he was one of the very few artists that I had seen live many times; to be denied the pleasure of listening to his records was an injustice to me personally.
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Acman, how do you know that? could you share your new found knowledge with me? No you can't, because you are dead 200% wrong.
llMusic Review by Stephen Thomas Erlewine [-]
Mosaic released a four-disc box set titled The Complete Blue Note With Sonny Clark in 1991, rounding up everything that the guitarist and pianist recorded together between 1961 and 1962. Blue Note's 1997 version of the set, The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark, trims Mosaic's collection by two discs, offering only the quartet sessions (the Ike Quebec sessions, Born to Be Blue and Blue and Sentimental, are available on individual discs). In some ways, this actually results in a more unified set, since it puts Green and Clark directly in the spotlight, with no saxophone to complete for solos, but it doesn't really matter if the music is presented as this double-disc set, the four-disc box, or the individual albums -- this is superb music, showcasing the guitarist and pianist at their very best. All of the sessions are straight-ahead bop but the music has a gentle, relaxed vibe that makes it warm, intimate, and accessible. Grant and Clark's mastery is subtle -- the music is so enjoyable, you may not notice the deftness of their improvisation and technique -- but that invests the music with the grace, style, and emotion that distinguishes The Complete Quartets. Small group hard bop rarely comes any better than this.
Those records were made between 61 and 62, when they were the market; that was when "straight up jazz" was king; no "soul jazz" no "hip hop jazz" but straight up "hard bop jazz"; the kind Miles Davis is famous for.
Do You know who "Sonny Clark" is?
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Hank Mobley recorded "No Room For Squares" on October 2, 1963 at Rudy Van Gelder's studio.
Lee Morgan; trumpet
Andrew Hill; piano
John Ore; Bass
Philly Joe Jones; drums
Donald Byrd recorded "At The Half note Cafe" with Pepper Adams, baritone sax; Duke Pearson, piano; Lex Humphries, drums; Laymon Jackson, bass in November 1960; that's two months from 1961.
Frogman, I saw Trane at Gino's in St. Louis in 1963, and he was blowing a soprano sax, not a "tenor" sax. He played "My Favorite Things" much longer than what you hear on his album.
Grant Greens music would have been right on time; now come back to me with your YA YA.
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I was listening to Sonny Clark and Grant Green playing "Airgin", this is one of Grants favorite tunes; he played that for himself. I say that because before he went to Blue Note, I saw him at a club he went to informally, and played his guitar when he felt like it. There was no admission and me and my jazz buddies really dug Grant, naturally we were there. His guitar certainly sounds nice with him and Sonny Clark; I was trying to see if I could remember when he played it back then, and the difference I'm hearing now. It's much more complex on this recording; the difference in time from then until now is not that great, now is 1961 and then was 1958; that's only 3 years but what a difference playing for yourself, and playing with guys of Sonny Clark's caliber would make. The comments made by the peanut gallery rolled off my back like water off a duck. I'm listening to the real deal, "Grant Green", and he was idolized by us, just as much as Miles Davis. We never talked to Miles because he was in New York. They might as well say Miles is from New York, I only saw him at a show in Chicago. When he came to St. Louis on a visit, he stayed out at his fathers farm, he never came out to socialize and have a drink. Naturally I feel closer to someone's music that I actually talked to, and heard up close and personal. Now don't misunderstand, I'm still a jazz "aficionado" and judging this music at the same time I'm listening to it. I don't say it's boss simply because I heard Grant live; but because it is. Although I talked to Grant, I can't say that I knew him, because that would mean we were friends, and seeing someone and talking to them is a long way from being friends; consequently, I'm giving this music my 'aficionado' judgment. Right now I'm listening to "you tube", but this music will soon be in my collection. The fact that it's not in my collection is what hurts; it should have been in my collection from the time he made it. What I'm listening to at the moment has Sonny Clark piano; Sam Jones, bass; Art Blakey or Louis Hayes, drums, and of course Grant Green guitar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFzKG6bIwJQ&list=PLC629098E62874E5F&index=7Now I can only get whatever they offer, when at that time I could have gotten an individual record, and not missed anything; but this is better than nothing. Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, and Rok, when I was in LA, I heard music at the clubs that was comparable to the best of Blue Note, by musicians unknown to me. I attributed this to the fact that musicians do not have to leave LA in order to make a living. Although I was in LA, the music was not West Coast Jazz. When I was in Jamaica, while the music at the hotel was reggae, the people (most Jamaicans) preferred jazz. In both cases, assumptions would be wrong.
I noticed Rok constantly picks music from what we call "The Golden Age of Jazz". Music is not made in a vacuum, musicians have to draw inspiration from somewhere. That "Golden Age" also occurred at the same time as the best times in many cities.
Chicago was three vibrant cities at once in the 50's and 60's; rich north side, culture on the lake, and a vibrant south side that no longer exists, Detroit was like the "Emerald City of Oz". St. Louis consisted of Downtown, E. St. Louis, and North St. Louis; three diverse areas that featured live jazz; "bleak" is the most dominant feature of those areas now. There was a certain "vibe" and excitement in each city that generated something for musicians to draw from.
Much of the latest music is "disonant"; not in the strict definition of the word, but it lacks a coherent theme that you can feel and identify with; the musician can't find something outside of himself to draw inspiration from; therefore his music is without life.
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"Our president keeps telling us the media is the biggest liar on the planet"; While that's true, I'm wandering how long is it going to take for him to switch and become part of the lie, just like the last president; can you say "Oligarchs rule".
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"As Rok put it" is Rok no longer able to post for himself?
Frogman you were 100% wrong about that long running Grant Green saga, and there is no way I'm going to take the time to read your usual diatribe that says nothing, so you get over that.
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I put every single CD I own by "Grant Green" on my computer play list; I went to sleep listening to Grant Green, I woke up just now Listening to Grant Green; just think of what I'll be able to do when I receive;"Grant Green: The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark". I'll be able to re-live those glorious times when I saw him live. (he looked a lot different then) Lean, mean, Grant Green, with a head of thick black hair, playing his heart out; that man was born to pluck that guitar, I can hear it ringing in my ears. Music, music, sweet sweet music; it feeds my soul, it gets me through days like this when all of the "aficionados" are throwing rocks at me; I'm so hurt, they don't like me; well you know what, "My heart pumps purple panther piss for them" HA, HA, HA, HA. You know what, I haven't heard any "hard bop" in awhile, I think I'll see if "you tube" got "No Room For Squares", that means I can't take the rest of the "aficionados" with me because there ain't room; HA, HA, HA, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcq_zg-Zw5kI bought this record brand new when it came out; it got 5 stars, and with a line up like this, it should have gotten 6 stars, but they only give 5; can you dig it Frogman? Every individual on this jam is a star in his own right. All I can say is; Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, you could re-write history, just like you're re-writing Grant Green; but you can not erase those ugly things called FACTS.
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Frogman Junior, he didn't go to record, he went to perform at Benson's night club. When you learn how to use your computer, you'll be able to find facts like that. |
I finally got around to looking at, or should I say completing "One Night With Blue Note". I found it amazing how all those musicians put on such outstanding performances as though it was just another day at the office; they made it look so easy.
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This is a little bit different; those posts concerning Rok's post, were meant "exclusively" for Rok; that's because I know what he's talking about, and there is no disagreement. If this is "off topic", it's because this topic is more important.
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I'm all for an open discussion in regard to the music. I suggest we set time spans, and use music to specify exactly what we are referring to, for example; 50's and 60's for old music, and you and Acman can specify current music. But before we start, not all current music will apply to my allegations of not having a theme, just most.
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The exploiter could have made a lot more money, if he had taken better care of the "exploitee" Even a parasite knows that he must not do anything to harm the host; he must keep the host alive. In this case the exploiter wasn't too bright.
Super talented people don't fall out of trees, and there were people at Blue Note who could have, and would have been more productive if the "parasite" who didn't play one instrument had realized that the host must be kept alive.
It's better to ignore this post, than respond to it; does anyone remember "Before the beat, or after the beat"
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Women are uniquely different from men, although I don't understand the difference, I appreciate it. Mary Jo, your selections display that difference in a way I can only listen and reflect on; they give us the feminine view of jazz.
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