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After what seems like a hundred hours or more of reading.  I think I am at the end of my search for subs.  If anyone has listened to any of these subs, I would greatly appreciate your review on them.  After all this research I have narrowed it down to 3 subs, I dont really care about any other subs, probably due to this 2 months of research. Exhaustion has set in and a choice needs to be made.  I have only had the chance to listen to a few, best buy being my source for listening. I did listen to Martin,  rel,  svs sb 2000 and sb 4000. Rel and Martin's under 1k, did not give me toe tapping. Both svs's did. (I will be selling both my vanderstien 2wq, i havent listened to them in yrs and just want new toys)  Other than BB, I have to travel quite far for hi end.  I listen to 60/40 music/HT.  My room is 8'x14'x24'.  Front spkrs are totem winds. I will be purchasing one in February and a second with 6 months.  In order these are my choices.
1.  Svs sb 3000. 
2.  Rymthik f12se.  
3.  Paradigm defiance x12

I've read alot on svs and rymthik, can't find much on x12.  Worried about rymthik only having 370 amp, yes I know it's servo. But svs is 800/2500. Quite a difference.  I thought about 15 inch sub, but the weight is crazy.  Ported is also heavy and possibly not up to my standards for tight music.  So I guess my question is,  who has listened to these 3 subs and what is your experience and evaluation of these subs. Details are appreciated.  Thanks, Pete
pcc67

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pcc67 OP
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Bdp24, thanks for the info. I really consider the f15hp, but really didn't want the wait. And in the long run if I move, i will need to move these monsters, 100 lbs each. Dont know if or when i will ever move. I'm getting old, lol.  This is why I've been looking at 12 inch subs. Even the f12se is heavy at 75 lbs. This is why the svs sb 3000 is on my list at 50 something pounds. And the reviews on svs seem great. But rymthik really has my attention.  I am sure I could easily build a cabinet,  I have excellent carpentry skills an full work shop, but my electrical skills in electronics are not good at all. House electrical easy for me.  Electronics, I do not understand.  Lol
pcc67 OP
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Thank Big Greg,
I real wish they would ad a subwoofer category. Seems like many people are using subs.  I don't want a used sub, really in the market for new.  The pbk from paradigm defiance x12 will not be need because I will be upgrading my faithful lexicon dc1 to either a anthem mrx720 or avm 60, since I already have 2 amps. But that's another thread. I recently got back into audio after 12 yrs of everything sleeping.  Long story, lol. Would really like to hear from some owners of the svs sb3000 and rymthik f12 or f12se. Give room size, music and HT experience.  Thanks Pete 
pcc67 OP
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I will probably just borrow a paradigm x12 and maybe a JL from the audio store I do business with. I will also order a svs sb3000.  But seriously I dont want 2 be over 3k and I want 2. Not one but 2.  Everything thing I've read says get 2. I really wish I could demo a rymthik.  JL does seem a bit snobby, 200 for a black gloss, must be alot more shinny then all the other sub companies charging 100.  Sorry about my rant, but I dont like over charges and i wouldnt own a bmw or Mercedes if given to me, but to each there own. Really redicoulous.  I wonder if they give 2 sub discount.  I will  look into this more.  I have heard great things about JL, but looking at some reviews recently there also looks like they have unhappy customers.  Not to bang up anything, I do my research and really hard to find anything bad about svs, same goes for rymthik. Price on both are almost half of JL.  And I do appreciate excellent bass, but I also need reliability.  5 yrs and 1k. That's nice and easy on the wallet.  3 yrs and 2k, not so much. 
pcc67 OP
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I do appreciate all the info. I am sure JL  is great, I just don't want to spend JL money.  After lots serious consideration,  I realize I dont want 100 lb subs. This is why I am looking at 12" subs. Trust me I struggled with it, until I was at best buy and went over to lift a svs sb 4k and said nope. Went over to the sb 2k and thought wow so much nicer. This is one reason why I am getting rid of my vanderstien 2wsq , down sizing for the future.  Back in the day it was fine. I will be using the sub out on my dc1 and within 6 months get an avm 720 or the 60, not sure which one yet. Then purchase second sub. 
pcc67 OP
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Thanks mzk,  
I will probably call rymthik when I get back from vaka.  See what they offer for trial basis. If all goes well I hope to listen to all 3 at the same time.  Paradigm, svs and rymthik.  No sure about JL. All have to meet my budget of 2 subs. Between 2k and 2500. I will rate on price, weight, warranty,  customer service  and sound. Apparently,  no svs owners are replying to this thread.  Thanks everyone,  I will continue look back and see if anymore recommendations. 
pcc67 OP
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I'm sure rymthik is good. I have been all over the internet and never read anything bad about them. I've heard they are very musical subs.  I've been researching subs for 2 months. Read so much that I read read same articles and reviews multiple times. Only good things about rymthik.  JL is musical,  but expensive.  In my opinion in today's market place, it's over price for me and I can spend less and be happy,  like I said, my opinion.  But I have  read electrical issues with JL. A few mentioned that and they where pissed about it. For me, 2k is alot to have problems.  I am building a system and can not over spend. I want 2 subs and need a pre pro. Plus thinking about anthem amps on the future and selling my amps. But that further out. So 2k a sub is out of my range.  I will definitely try out paradigm defiance x12 and see what JL my dealer has in my range. But svs still high on my list. I will be using my sub outs and letting arc figure it all out. Keep it simple.
pcc67 OP
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I must agree, lack of a great warranty does not give me much faith in a product. Especially a very expensive product. 
pcc67 OP
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Big, u have plenty of rymthik subs, let me demo one. Lol
pcc67 OP
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I will check out the paradigm defiance x12,  but I just read a review in one of the audiophile mags. They said it was nice, but had port noise at low freq. Thought they did say the prestige  1000sw sound great. But it's 3k. Out of my range. I really don't want to be above 1200 per sub.
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