Why leave feedback if the Audiogon team is just going to remove it?


I recently bought a power cord from member "troy10".

I left this feedback - which was later removed by Audiogon for what reason I have no idea.


Only leaving NEUTRAL instead of NEGATIVE on the off chance the seller did not actually know this power cord was not authentic. I currently own 3 LessLoss power cords and have two very good audio buddies that own 7 between them. I have also owned 3-4 more in the past as my system(s) underwent change. When this cable arrived, I noticed right away that it was missing the normal "LESSLOSS" decal and the "OYIADE.COM" decal on each end of the cable. When I contacted the seller, he said that just because there are no stickers, that does not mean that it is a fake. I checked my existing cables and called my friends to confirm as well, and all 10 of the power cords had both of these stickers present at each end of the cable. It was only after several messages back and forth between myself and the seller that he finally said "I removed the stickers". THIS IS INCREDIBLY DECEPTIVE... I now have to go through the arduous process of making a claim on PayPay to get my funds back...very disappointed with this transaction.
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What is the point in leaving feedback for an item that you purchase if Audiogon is just going to remove it? 

How about other buyers that might be interested in buying from this member?  Should they not be aware of a situation with a past sale?
Hard to see if they were or not in the photos (small, low-res pictures + angle of photos), but my question is more about the Audiogon staff removing feedback that was left... why?
After contacting LessLoss, they confirmed that there are fakes out there and that they always had both of the decals on each end.  Because the seller said (after I brought up the issue) that "he removed the stickers" does not make the cable authentic.

The PROPER thing to do is to say...

"I'm sorry that you are not happy with the transaction... I will allow you to return for refund, minus my shipping costs". 
Exactly... we tried to work this out without needing to involve PayPal, but the seller was not cooperating.  If he would have just offered me a return, less his shipping costs, that would have been acceptable to me.

If it was noted in the original ad that there were no decals or he removed the decals... would you be OK buying the cable?  I would not.
I was more "concerned" at first, asking where he had purchased the power cord and if he had the original bag or receipt, which he did not.  He made no mention that HE actually removed the decals at all (at first). 

Then I ask him to return the item... that I was not convinced that it was authentic.  Then we went back and forth a few more times through Audiogon messages and he was saying it was real, etc., THEN he finally said that he had removed the stickers...  I found this part to be a real issue - that it was not mentioned when I first brought up the issue after receiving the cable.

I just think that the correct thing to do would have been to offer a return if he had no proof of purchase.

And I still have no real answer (as usual) from the Audiogon staff of WHY the neutral feedback was removed.
If they continue to remove any feedback other than POSITIVE, then how is any potential buyer supposed to know if they are dealing with a person on the up & up???
I had another transaction where I left NEUTRAL feedback... I was the buyer and the item that I received was not working.  I was merely asking for a return/refund from the seller.  After leaving the neutral feedback, the seller leaves me neutral feedback complaining that I was a bad buyer.  So, Audiogon decides to take BOTH of the neutral feedback off.  What a total waste of effort for everyone.  I do not understand why this is happening.
The BIGGEST issue that I have with what happened with this transaction (and the reason for me leaving neutral feedback) is that when I contacted the seller noting that the decals were not present, and that I looked at all 3 of my existing LessLoss power cords and called 2 different audio friends of mine that have them and asked that they also verify the decals were present on theirs, he DID NOT say ANYTHING about the fact that he had removed them. 

We went back and forth with messages and he was saying that "He bought from a reputable seller" and "Just because there are no decals, does not mean that it is not authentic", etc., etc.  No mention of the fact that he removed the decals. 

Then, I ask him if I can return the item and I would be fine covering his original shipping fees.... THEN he says "I removed the decals".  TOTAL BS!  This is so deceptive, I cannot imagine a sane person reading this post would not think that this is wrong.

Again, the PROPER thing to do is offer a return if the buyer is not satisfied for some reason and move on.
Completely disagree... I expect more from my sellers.  I have completed hundreds of transactions on Audiogon, Ebay and US Audio Mart as both a buyer and a seller.  If a buyer came to me with a concern, I would do my best to address it, INCLUDING accepting a return if he was not happy with something related to the item.

And you spend WAY TOO MUCH time on these forums... find a good hobby, like listening to music maybe?
John, unfortunately I didn't get to read your last response as the Audiogon staff decided to remove it.

I think maybe you are right though... I need to "man up" and "put my big boy pants on" and be like you and the other audiophile fools on here and go buy retail.  That way I can spend $8,000 for a brand new, shiny CD player instead of grabbing one used for 1/3 that price from someone like you when they get bored of it after a year.... good economic plan!

Also.... if I am spending too much time on these forums (243 posts), then what are you doing exactly (5,754 posts).... maybe math was not your best subject?
I can understand your position, however if that is the case then what does that say for the post that "jmcgrogan2" left for me that prompted my response in the first place?  His post was removed by Audiogon.  I suppose that means that you DEFINITELY not buy or sell to him then?