Why so many used focals?

Inaccurate information, as always with focal discussion.

They stopped selling their drivers long ago.

It’s simply because Focal sells a LOT of speakers.  Also, many of the Focal owners I know end up upgrading to higher end Focals.  They are a worldwide brand that is even more popular outside of America (from what I know).

Just as you will find dramatically more Apple products for sale vs Android.  

I agree, even though I’m extremely disappointed with the simple refresh of the utopia line. I was really hoping they’d have an all new design and sound.

However... the Sopra 3 in blue. Or red. Or Orange. Or chameleon.... I can go on and on.

The Kantas actually look incredible in the matte front and wood side finishes, which you wouldn’t expect. Very forward thinking design.

Either way I genuinely think the Sopras are absolutely one of the very best looking speaker ever designed — and the Kantas are no slouch.


I also think Rockports, Paradigm Personas, and some other brands have some incredible looking speakers as well.

Kanta is a far superior speaker to the Electras.  Better on good recordings, and much better on bad recordings.

Music Direct has the Electra’s?  If so, you’re listening to a speaker that has zero in common with any of the newer designs. Also, the listening rooms at MD are not good.  

"I suppose we have to consider how poor they can sound improperly set up. On rock recordings drums sounded live with excellent pitch definition and speed, but I thought I could hear the woofers working It was all very exciting and made me want them even more, Type A living on the edge in my listening room, lol. The review in tone of the K2 mentioned hearing the woofers working and I had no idea what he meant but I think I heard what he was referring to in my K3 demo."

....what?  You heard the woofers working?  I hope so.  

I don't see a single thing in the tone audio review that mentions what you just said.  

That is why the Kanta no. 3 exists.

philkoan: What body part do you pull those numbers out of? Even 20% off Focal speakers would be pushing it. I don’t know of a speaker line with a smaller margin. They sell through a distributor and do NOT have the same margin as other speakers . Seeing some discontinued models or finishes at Music Direct etc at 30% off doesn't count.  ANY manufacturer presents scenarios like that at times and that is in no way unique to Focal.

I could see 20%~ off some of the higher end Utopias as there is more to play with, but otherwise, you are just spreading hilariously false information. I have seen the price sheets.

This place....  

Everything you mentioned has been discontinued for awhile and are all on clearance.

Also, you’re wrong about dealer cost, of course.  

I don’t know of any dealer who will normally give a discount and completely remove it because they brought you some speakers.   Are you 60 miles from the store or something?

You are making some very foolish assumptions.  

Oh, and 30% off a speaker that a store is only making 42~ points on?  ROFLMAO.  

Magico A3.  The speaker for someone who wants a Magico but can’t afford it.  They are selling a lot based on that.   Not that they’re bad, just that they’re getting lucky people have that expectation bias going into a listening session with them.

These same people... what do you know, they happen to talk sh*t about Paradigm Personas because of the name.   So sad and so embarrassing.  

Focal...   mid-fi.  This is the same company that has made drivers for many high end companies in the past including Wilson.  The same company that has some of the most expensive and possibly most beloved car audio in the world.  The same company that was making speakers like the Grande Utopia way before mega speakers were ever popular.  Same company that has taken the headphone world by storm and continues to do so...  the same company that has some of the most coveted pro audio monitors in the world.  

Anyone talking down focal is either ignorant, or pretentious.  What a joke.