SS amps. Why so much power?


I though that there was so much tube amp talk on this page lately, I'd put up a SS thread. Why do so many people buy the big SS amps that have 200,300,500 watts of power? Is it because the speaker you want is inefficient and you need lots of power, or do you need to play real loud? Or is it a status thing, like my amp's bigger than your amp, or what? Do you buy a big amp first, and then look for a speaker with high power handling? Or do you pick a low efficiency speaker you like and then look for a big amp to drive it? Do you subscribe to the idea that if you have alot of watts, the amp will sound better at lower volumes? I've noticed that the majority of AudiogoNers go with high power SS amps and low efficiency speakers. What gives?
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Greater control of the speaker plus I play my music loud occasionally and having more power than I need means that I will not clip the amp which is the best way to blow up a pair of speakers.
Edle, Based on that statement one could easily get the impression that you think the only thing all amplifiers do is amplify.

That is exactly what an amp is suppose to do, but very few actually do just that.
1)A true audiophile, i think, buys the amp that will allow their speaker to best do what it does, including decent SPLs. My speakers as well as others' just require high power to really do anything at all.

2)The mid-phile will buy the most powerfull because they believe to be the most important of the few dimensions they consider. They are stuck in the land of nominal, printed ratings.

3)The nonaudiophile will buy the biggest penis extension they can afford.

Varying combinations of 1, 2, and 3 for each person at a given time drives amp selection.
David, no "headbanger" would ever be satisfied with a 30 wpc amp ( regardless of make, model or designer ) and 92 dB speakers. Either the amp would be smoked from overdrive or the tweeters and mids would be cooked from clipping. As to "who's gonna listen to it that loud", you might be surprised. I have locals that light power transformers on fire, blow the piss out of speakers on a regular basis, etc... Obviously, some people DO listen to music "LOUD" and i don't mean "Audiogon loud". I'm talking POUNDINGLY loud and they still want it crystal clear.

If it all boiled down to "bragging rights", you would need someone that knew what you were talking about to brag to. Since the general population all think that Bose is good and flea market car stereos have a "real" multiple thousand watt capacity, we'd be wasting our time and money.

Like anything else, people invest their time and money seeking the results that will make them happy. Since playing at high volume with good clarity and control typically takes a lot of driver surface area and power, that is what they spend their money on. I know what i want and am willing to pay for it. I'm sure that others with complex systems with high wpc ratings feel the same way.

As to why i have a lot of power, most of the speakers that i prefer to listen to are a combination of low impedances, low sensitivity and have a lot of driver surface area. In this respect, Edle is right. It does make for a tough climb up-hill but those are MY preferences and i have to deal with them. This takes a LOT of muscle to keep things under control and still not sound like something is running on the ragged edge. I also prefer to let amps coast as they typically sound less congested and more refined that way. Headroom in a system means not only the ability to easily reproduce peaks and maintain dynamic range, it means "lack of strain". This way, you can achieve "cranking" volume levels without really "cranking" the amp hard. Even if you are drawing 300 - 800 watts on long duration peaks, having 1000+ wpc on hand simply means that you're still coasting.

While this may not be nearly as critical on classical, jazz, blues, etc... due to the very high peak to average ratio, rock and metal require much higher levels of average power to sustain "concert levels" and keep it clean.

While this is not meant towards anyone in specific, until you've heard and experienced ( and especially assembled ) a system that can literally raise the roof, do it with the utmost in clarity and control and do it on a continual basis reliably, you have NO idea what you're missing or what it takes. This can't be done with a couple hundred watts per channel and average efficiency speakers. It takes MEGA watts and a lot of surface area ( drivers ) which results in low impedances which means you have to have even more power capacity. Achieving the "ultimate" becomes a vicious circle rather quickly.

That is, unless you're using very high efficiency horns and that sound suits your tastes. Even with 104 db horns, i have driven 300+ wpc amps into clipping. Impressive to anyone ? No. Trying to achieve what i personally want out of a system ? Yes. Offensive to some ? Possibly ( neighbors especially ). Not quite as offensive as talking about comparing the size of ones' "johnson" though.

All i can say is that some of you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Once you do that, you'll realize that there are different brands, types and preferences for "coffee". Even with all of the different variables involved in just that, some people like to "flavour" theirs even beyond having a custom blend. Audio is no different and there is no "right" or "wrong". Just what makes YOU happy as an individual. Sean
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Jtinn, NO amps really "like" low impedance loads. While it is true that SS amps typically deal with low impedances in a more linear fashion than tube amps do ( and high impedances vice-versa ), they ALL suffer from reduced damping factor, increased heat and thermal losses, increased distortion by-products, etc... This typically results in poorer sound quality overall. I'm sure that there are exceptions to this "rule", but they would be far and few between. Sean
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